Hi George,
Did you mean this:
“I'd suggest heat pickup from condensation of water vapor in 30degC air at 50%RH at the air - cold water interface be estimated by assuming a cross current of say 5mm depth of 0.5m/sec of warm air, which goes from 30degC, 50% RH to 20degC, 50% RH at the other end...
Guys,
Surface loads! Should be way easier.
Here are my thoughts on the exchange of heat between the water and air.
Evaporation Water at 10degC has a saturated water vapour pressure of 1227 N/sqm
Air at 30degC 50% rh has a vapour water pressure of 2167 N/sqm
Evaporation is therefore zero...
LittleInch [bigsmile] I agree!
IRStuff
To quote you "I would use 350W, since that's supposedly the maximum sustainable power for a 30-minute duration"
How does that relate to the two options I have presented?
A ran the numbers using the total skin resistance and got the following results:
Works out to be less than the Mass method I posted earlier.
I need a calculation for different water temperatures so can't just use a single figure of say 350W.
The mass calc is more conservative @ 321W average...
On further investigation, I found a thermal model in this paper P3, which tries to work out survivability in cold water.
https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.4015/S1016237205000251?download=true
Anyone have a view on this approach? Worth doing some sums I think?
It seems I’m not the only one who is interested in heat loss from a human in cold water!
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/371642/heat-loss-through-skin-into-water
In that post they use the simple equation H=K⋅A⋅ΔT/Δx,
where:
H is heat loss,
K is the thermal conductivity of skin...
All interesting points IRstuff but, we don’t have the answers to what you have quoted.
I’m not convinced a suitable heat transfer coefficient of a cooling body to water exists.
Also I’m not trying to simulate the body cooling as it will but, the body will start to react and produce more energy...
Hi Dave,
Not worried, I don't work for that company, I own it [bigsmile]. I would appreciate it if you would remove the company name though and I'll do the same.
I'm always questioning what I do and exploring what others might think and some would say, I'm not your ordinary engineer!
I'll turn...
Hi Guys,
This is not going to be perfect, as expected, but I think is as good as I'm going to get re bather cooling loads.
It's based on mass as my previous post.
It assumes the bather is in for a short 3 mins and then gets out, heats back up and then gets back in after 3 mins. Typical of use...
3DDave
That's hardly helpful.
Yes, I do know a lot about this, more than most for sure.
There are still questions to be asked and issues to be considered though.
The discussion so far has been helpful even if it results in no answer being achieved.
That would just confirm to me that I'm not...
OK Snickster,
lets explore that idea first in air where we know the heat lost from a lightly clothed human at rest is about 100W.
Say h for a human is about 5w/sqmK
Say 1.7sqm of surface area
Say 37.5degC skin
Say 22degC air
Q=5*1.7*(37.5-22)=129W
This would be for naked.
Considering light...