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  1. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    @Celt83 ..that's a riot. You did catch my explanation about the architect and engineer not being on the same page for TOS right? Are you implying this is a detailers job to catch that mistake?..nice try. That is hilarious and a lame excuse not being on the same page as your team. Here's a...
  2. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    Little late getting back here as I initially figured I said what I had to say and leave it at that...but I've returned for the foolish comments and a good laugh. Now here's one Here's the last weeks fun adventure since I've been gone, and I'm kind enough to leave names out. 1.) small $500...
  3. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    @Ron247 to quote what you said "structural engineers drawing must contain ALL information"...now look at what I typed directly from the AISC book, in short and related to yours "location of all members". May I ask why that got changed from what I said? I'm not trying to be snotty to you Ron...
  4. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    @Ron247 in my first post I did use the term "grid layout". But to be clear dimensions I'm meaning what every steel detailer will say is priority we need to even get started....the grid layout, or column centers. I honestly think that would have jumped out at anyone looking at those pics cause...
  5. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    @dauwerda if you see column centerline dimensions on those drawings that satisfies the AISC spec...then you're a god. They don't exist
  6. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    @structSU10 agreed! Just curious..do you also provide dimensions for beams framing floor opening? Roof rtu I consider a whole different animal and it was mentioned about that. Those units are settled on so late in the game it's just how that is, wish that could be changed as well. I'm...
  7. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    @MIStructE_IRE well on this side of the pond the AISC states in the "Code of Standard Practice".... "structural steel design plans clearly showing the work to be performed and giving the size, section, material grade and location of all members, floor levels, column centers and offsets". The...
  8. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    Was asked to see such a case of no dimensions. Here's one. Not a single dimension on any plan and they all were like this. Not even a set of architecturals accompnaied the structural set. Sorry I'm not posting the title block and naming specific parties that release this work. Job was a no...
  9. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    @jayrod12 I do see that side to this but even detailers get confronted with this timetable from the fabricator we work for so it goes both ways. I personally refuse to succumb to the mind set that pushing out terrible workmanship is acceptable, and then use the excuse the schedule dictated that...
  10. Ken62465

    I must ask why EOR's do this crzy stuff/

    I don't mean to rant here but I must ask the structural engineers out there a few simple questions that are getting on my nerves. First I've been a structural steel detailer for 33years and I've never seen the industry so sad as I do today. May I ask how it is you feel comfortable releasing...
  11. Ken62465

    Tube/WF beam double angle connection

    In regards to Risa not showing that bottom cope. When I first saw the missing cope exported to Risa from Tekla I figured it wasn't necessary from an engineering standpoint and I could see why Risa left it out but found myself saying "you watch somebody is going to question this"...and there you...
  12. Ken62465

    Tube/WF beam double angle connection

    I'm chiming in here as I'm the detailer that SteelPE was harassed by for answers to this question. Please go easy on me, even though I've been a structural steel detailer for near 30years I'm no engineer so much of what you guys say may only loose me. The one thing I spot in reading the...

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