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  1. triumph993

    Splined Shaft Wear

    Thanks everyone for your input. In real life the metal also has a blue tint, so heat is definitely a factor. It's not a VFD. The pump hangs off a PTO which is mounted to an Allison transmission with a heavy duty diesel engine as the prime mover. In a different thread we did an analysis of...
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    Splined Shaft Wear

    As promised, here's an album of the wear on the internal splines of the PTO: https://picasaweb.google.com/dmb2000/ChelseaSplines?authkey=Gv1sRgCNznvcufhd3hJQ Thanks, David
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    It's puny! :) Again, thanks for your help Ron. Now I know why they don't last. I can move to the SAE BB shaft (1"-15T) and that will give me: 1) a 'compressive stress in teeth' margin-of-safety of 0.349 versus -0.129, and 2) a 'shear stress in teeth' margin-of-safety of 0.487 versus -0.032...
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    Splined Shaft Wear

    Thanks Aaron, Let me get the PTO cleaned up and I'll post some detailed pics. David
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    Ted, Attached is a chart showing pressure, rpm, and flow requirements. Thanks, Davidhttp://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=14c84bbf-9d1f-44ab-b89b-e3df6fecc71c&file=HP_and_GPH_PTO_Pump_Requirements.JPG
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    Hi Ron, You're correct. After paying special attention to the correction factors in your spreadsheet (at zakgear.com) it appears that the compressive stress of the SAE 'B' shaft is on the edge. I have the following factors: Application Factor, Ka, 2.2: (driven by diesel engine, light shock)...
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    Splined Shaft Wear

    Thanks swall, I notice that when looking at a spline tooth in the radial direction, the wear is curved; i.e., there's more wear in the center then the ends - the center is knife edge while the ends still have machine marks on the top edge of the tooth. Is this fretting or load imbalance or...
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    Splined Shaft Wear

    Folks, Here's a photo album of the splined shaft from my hydraulic pump. The interior splines of the mating PTO are identically worn. I'm in the process of identifying the steel, but I believe it to be a high tensile steel (4140 or 4340). My apologies for not being able to narrow this down...
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    Thanks Ted and Ron, Ron, I used your link to check my numbers and they do checkout, but these are steady state conditions. There may be transient conditions which likely push the compressive stress well beyond my 6K psi steady state. The pto is constant mesh, so the pump is always spinning. A...
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    Thanks Ron, The pump external shaft uses DU bushing journals, one on either side of the pump gear, width: 1.125" x ID: 1.30". The PTO helical shaft is supported on cone bearings with a lock ring. It's an SAE 'B' shaft. I don't know the bearing dimensions. The shaft is 1.25" OD, and the...
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    Here's a photo album of the cleaned up external spline. https://picasaweb.google.com/dmb2000/PTOPumpSplines?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNSloqW9qonCaQ&feat=directlink Thanks, David
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    hydtools and Tmoose, thanks for your help. Avoiding idle is a possibility. Thanks for the tip on Kluber spline grease. I still haven't had a chance to take new photos of the cleaned up worn splines but hopefully today or tomorrow. Thanks, David
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    The manufacturer of the PTO says that the wear is caused by engine idle time. The application is a hydraulically driven fan motor. The fan produces a variable load on the pump. The fan control is proportionally driven and the fan motor has built-in trim speed control. There are 5 components...
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    Thanks Ron, I'll produce a better picture, in the meantime attached is a slightly cleaner photo of the PTO internal splines. Thanks, Davidhttp://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=843abcf9-7d23-4765-8822-99d4238d0e62&file=PTO_Shaft.JPG
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    Involute Spline Fretting (constant mesh pto)

    I have a hydraulic pump with a 7/8"-16/32DP straight involute external HT alloy steel spline shaft. The splines are experiencing contact fretting. (See spec's below and pic attached). The pump connects to internal splines of a constant mesh PTO, which in turn is bolted to a truck transmission...
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    Bus Chassis

    Okay, I added some skin and I added the fiberglass front and rear clips. The clips significantly brought up the first fundamental frequency. here are the new numbers: Mode 1: 11.20 Hz, Torsional Mode 2: 12.42 Hz, Torsional Mode 3: 15.36 Hz, Torsional Mode 4: 17.93 Hz, Vertical Bending Mode 5...
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    Bus Chassis

    Thanks Mike, The skin is glued on as are the windows. I'm new at this stuff, but it seems that the first fundamental needs to be above the road excitation frequency range. Perhaps their suspension is so good that it filters and dampens better than most. I'll go back and add some elements to...
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    Bus Chassis

    Hi Mike, Thanks for the reply. The side walls are fiberglass and the roof is a single piece of stainless steel. Also, the windows are structural glass, if there is indeed such a thing. If I account for the stiffness of these components, what change would you expect in the frequency response? I...
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    Bus Chassis

    Folks, I'm having trouble interpreting a Modal Analysis I did on a bus chassis. This is for my own interest only - I'm somewhat a busnut. I'm modeling a bus chassis from one of the major tour bus companies. It's 102" wide, 12.5 ft tall, and 45 ft in length. The chassis is a space frame. The...
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    Fan Hub Cast Iron

    If it rings, and it does, can I assume Malleable Iron and at a minimum a yield strength of 30,000 psi?

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