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  1. bob102939

    Inrush limiting of across the line starts. Flywheel, etc??

    The word "sag" is what the PC is whining about. There are a couple bigger motors that pull the small service lines down and I guess knock people offline. Indication was 20% reduction in voltage. They do not want demand metering because that obviously never "improves" an electric bill. The...
  2. bob102939

    Inrush limiting of across the line starts. Flywheel, etc??

    In a nutshell, friend needs to building something to reduce inrush to the power company for motor starts. The power company has not installed a demand meter but indicates they can "see" it by the sag in the lines. Even if they install a demand meter, this might be a worth while effort to make...
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    Most cost effective battery for large electric power storage?

    Ahhh!! I very much apologize. 30kw WIND generator... They already have a 3ph power service but there is a joint effort to run the shop off grid for other reasons. The generator has proven very effective in a grid tie configuration but they now would like to be able to say "off the grid"...
  4. bob102939

    Most cost effective battery for large electric power storage?

    How does one store energy as diesel? Are you referring to the production of biodiesel? We have considered about everything including collection of grease for diesel production but the operating time/cost will be high and running a full time genset will not be a viable option. They only have a...
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    Most cost effective battery for large electric power storage?

    We assembled a 30kw generator for a friend for a machine shop and now looking for a way to better store energy. We have looked at lead acid but even making them from scratch will be very expensive. We are most open minded to designs that could be implemented and manufactured in house due to...
  6. bob102939

    Water electrolysis HHO conversion. Thermodynamics

    Thank you. I have seen that device but unfortunately most of the load is electric motors so an AC will not help us. We need either some way to store electric energy or a way to convert the electric to a storable fuel. We have so far looked at hot water, H, Ethanol, compressed air, etc. Just...
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    Water electrolysis HHO conversion. Thermodynamics

    We looked at Hydrogen before as a way to store up energy from a large wind generator. We built one at a friends place that is 30kw and can more than power the whole shop but we do not have a way to store up that large amount of energy and pressurized H does not make financial sense. Still...
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    Water electrolysis HHO conversion. Thermodynamics

    Well, I guess in my peanut brain, my thoughts here were possibly that, like petroleum, water already contains a large energy density in potential energy that can be released thus recovering petroleum nets more energy than is used to acquire and use the fuel. Possibly water can be looked at in...
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    Water electrolysis HHO conversion. Thermodynamics

    Mike, that is precisely our take on the device. We used an ECM monitor device to compare fuel rate over speed to get the efficiency. We ran a few control tests on the highway, then added the device and tested again. There was no change at all. We were going to lean out just to see what...
  10. bob102939

    Water electrolysis HHO conversion. Thermodynamics

    I was going to post in the chemical section but not much activity over there. I was curious if HHO conversion has been explored in length here? Either as a fuel additive for automotive applications or for independent fuel? Per my understanding, HHO is called "Browns gas" which is some...

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