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  1. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Well, I got that figure by making the foolish mistake of using a diameter as a radius. I believe the correct circumference should be .59 inches. Thanks.
  2. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Just to refresh on the loads I'm talking about here, our load is about 3 pounds. The screw will create a hole in the plastic about the size of its 1/8" shaft diameter. The (outside) thread diameter is 3/16" and will spread this shear / tension load over a circumference of 1.18". Doesn't this...
  3. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Ugh! I miss the predicatability of concrete and steel already. The "sure" things at this point are thermoplastics (for cost), lowest possible water absorption, and best over-all strength, creep, and fatigue characteristics. Polypropylene, Polyethylene are fielded and should be tested (with...
  4. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    True. But cost is a driver and I doubt there'd be interest in stepping up to Thermosets unless we come to the conclussion that the less expensive options won't work.
  5. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Seems to me that if screw pullout is the primary mode of failure the best approach would be to go with fibers (well-bonded with the plastic resin). Hopefully their strength would also allow us to drop back to a more reasonable factor of safety. I'm imagining that a 1/8" screw will sever some...
  6. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Screw holes will not be preformed, ice between components is not a concern, and the tolerances of the associated construction materials will not be a problem with differential thermal movement. Long-term cold-flow and brittleness leading to rupture are my major worries. The former could be...
  7. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Yes, lawn sprinkler systems remain in the freeze zone (after draining in the fall) and have about a 20-year life (according to a manufacturer). They don't see the range of temps a plastic on the outside of a wall would see, however, nor do they experience the shear loads of a fastener under...
  8. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Thanks, Mike. I built the Univision Network building in Miami and we lost our antennae dishes during Andrew. Did not realize a test center also went away. There are quite a few plastic construction materials and I'm trying to choose products that will likely perform best over time. Current...
  9. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Hey, Pat, I'm just a Civil Engineer (licensed) trying to figure out the best plastic for use in a building material. What I've found so far is ZIP for age testing of anything. My thinking is that thousands of cycles of freeze-thaw, under load, will affect the length of time I can expect a...
  10. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    It's been awhile since I enjoyed the "tact" of non-civil engineers. Refreshing! Plastic (HDPE and PP, mostly) is being sold in many construction products. These molded shapes, typically grids with a folded edge about 1/8" thick, hold metal fasteners and are subject to shear and freeze-thaw...
  11. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    UV is not a concern, so what is another reservation on the Acetal? Its strength, fatigue resistance, and low cost are all promising. As for other factors with PET/PBT, what might some of those be?
  12. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    Don't mean to "string" anybody along, sorry. The only data I can think to add is that the finished piece will be a thin (~1/8") strip designed to hold a screw in zero to 100 degree (F) temperatures. My only considerations are long term structural performance and cost. Product is currently...
  13. oldstuff

    Freeze-Thaw and Age Resistant Plastic

    What plastic / reinforcement would be suggested for a structural (shear / pullout loaded) application able to perform over 50+ years and 3,000+ freeze-thaw cycles. The plastic will be protected from UV and must be injection moldable at low cost.

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