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  1. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Thanks, and I'm going to go think about this and explore some other options. Thanks for everyone's input.
  2. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Hi George, Did you mean this: “I'd suggest heat pickup from condensation of water vapor in 30degC air at 50%RH at the air - cold water interface be estimated by assuming a cross current of say 5mm depth of 0.5m/sec of warm air, which goes from 30degC, 50% RH to 20degC, 50% RH at the other end...
  3. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Agreed, but how do you calculate that I wonder?
  4. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Guys, Surface loads! Should be way easier. Here are my thoughts on the exchange of heat between the water and air. Evaporation Water at 10degC has a saturated water vapour pressure of 1227 N/sqm Air at 30degC 50% rh has a vapour water pressure of 2167 N/sqm Evaporation is therefore zero...
  5. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    LittleInch [bigsmile] I agree! IRStuff To quote you "I would use 350W, since that's supposedly the maximum sustainable power for a 30-minute duration" How does that relate to the two options I have presented?
  6. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    A ran the numbers using the total skin resistance and got the following results: Works out to be less than the Mass method I posted earlier. I need a calculation for different water temperatures so can't just use a single figure of say 350W. The mass calc is more conservative @ 321W average...
  7. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    On further investigation, I found a thermal model in this paper P3, which tries to work out survivability in cold water. https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.4015/S1016237205000251?download=true Anyone have a view on this approach? Worth doing some sums I think?
  8. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    It seems I’m not the only one who is interested in heat loss from a human in cold water! https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/371642/heat-loss-through-skin-into-water In that post they use the simple equation H=K⋅A⋅ΔT/Δx, where: H is heat loss, K is the thermal conductivity of skin...
  9. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Hi George, Good to hear Bexley is still performing!
  10. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    All interesting points IRstuff but, we don’t have the answers to what you have quoted. I’m not convinced a suitable heat transfer coefficient of a cooling body to water exists. Also I’m not trying to simulate the body cooling as it will but, the body will start to react and produce more energy...
  11. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Thanks, I'm well known here so removing the country also would help keep my anonymity. Air to water tomorrow!
  12. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Hi Dave, Not worried, I don't work for that company, I own it [bigsmile]. I would appreciate it if you would remove the company name though and I'll do the same. I'm always questioning what I do and exploring what others might think and some would say, I'm not your ordinary engineer! I'll turn...
  13. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    But where did you come up with S + A? Sounds like you are stalking me [lol] That's why I just changed my user name [bigsmile]
  14. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Hey 3DDave, No, I don't work for them but why do you ask? Paul
  15. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Hi Guys, This is not going to be perfect, as expected, but I think is as good as I'm going to get re bather cooling loads. It's based on mass as my previous post. It assumes the bather is in for a short 3 mins and then gets out, heats back up and then gets back in after 3 mins. Typical of use...
  16. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Thanks for all of this guys and great to see your enthusiasm! Let me think and digest all of this over the weekend and pick it back up Monday.
  17. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    3DDave That's hardly helpful. Yes, I do know a lot about this, more than most for sure. There are still questions to be asked and issues to be considered though. The discussion so far has been helpful even if it results in no answer being achieved. That would just confirm to me that I'm not...
  18. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    Hi Mint.....yes and that makes sense for someone in the air but not in the water. Hi george.....not sure how that helps though
  19. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    This is interesting: https://thermopedia.com/content/587/
  20. Paul Arthur

    Heat transfer warm air to cold water

    OK Snickster, lets explore that idea first in air where we know the heat lost from a lightly clothed human at rest is about 100W. Say h for a human is about 5w/sqmK Say 1.7sqm of surface area Say 37.5degC skin Say 22degC air Q=5*1.7*(37.5-22)=129W This would be for naked. Considering light...

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