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> Why do you think it won't work, and why do you think you need isolators?
> How far apart are they and are they on the same power distribution?
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> How far apart are they and are they on the same power distribution?
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Since you have both a PC system and a DCS, I will assume that each system with have it's own 24Vdc power supply. Unless either the DCS OP or the PLC IP card is isolated, I would install an isolator between the two devices.
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Since you have both a PC system and a DCS, I will assume that each system with have it's own 24Vdc power supply. Unless either the DCS OP or the PLC IP card is isolated, I would install an isolator between the two devices.
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I still don't see a problem. The Siemens' modules were intended to interoperate, since their HART configurations are ostensibly the same. The only reason for using an isolator might be a hazardous environment, or they were on some sort of completely different ground and AC power system.
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You haven't supplied enough information. For example are the analog outputs isolated from one another (no common wire)? Also are the AI on the package system isolated? If the answer is no to both, then you will need isolators. In general you cannot connect two non isolated devices.
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I'll have to admit I'm not familiar with the specifics of DCS architecture, but surely it'd be better to push the data over a communications link rather than HART links per signal?
I know its off topic, but it seems unusual that this arrangement would still be required, unless this is an existing plant that doesn't have a higher level communications ability.
EDMS Australia
I know its off topic, but it seems unusual that this arrangement would still be required, unless this is an existing plant that doesn't have a higher level communications ability.
EDMS Australia
1. Are you intending to use the HART signal or is the 4-20mA signal the 'data'?
If the process needs whatever's on HART and you use isolators, then you need HART transparent isolators. Most isolators strip off the HART and just pass the 4-20mA through, so the output side of the isolator has no HART signal. In fact, some isolators have a low pass filter on the input side that will strip off HART, too. HART enabled/transparent isolators are clearly marked and priced accordingly.
2. If the boxes are in the same building, you might get away without isolators. Can you connect the points and try and see whether the common mode/ground loops offset or drive the signals off scale? No offset, no problem.
3. Both racks are Siemens. Why not Profibus?
If the process needs whatever's on HART and you use isolators, then you need HART transparent isolators. Most isolators strip off the HART and just pass the 4-20mA through, so the output side of the isolator has no HART signal. In fact, some isolators have a low pass filter on the input side that will strip off HART, too. HART enabled/transparent isolators are clearly marked and priced accordingly.
2. If the boxes are in the same building, you might get away without isolators. Can you connect the points and try and see whether the common mode/ground loops offset or drive the signals off scale? No offset, no problem.
3. Both racks are Siemens. Why not Profibus?
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Yes, it's really annoying, especially if such equipment is used for training purposes ... Serious guys offer a cheap kit DAQ- Motherboard + known modules and microcircuits. In their boring video lessons and in complete silence, they show examples of the use of this junk.
Yes, it's really annoying, especially if such equipment is used for training purposes ... Serious guys offer a cheap kit DAQ- Motherboard + known modules and microcircuits. In their boring video lessons and in complete silence, they show examples of the use of this junk.
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