rohit307
Structural
- Jun 26, 2012
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I am new to the Tank industry but been involved in structural engineering for 12+ years
This is yet another Rectangular Tank Design Question!
I know these are inefficient but the client wants what the client wants from a space perspective.
Rectangular Water Storage Tank Design - I pretty much used most of the references that I found from this forum and multiple posts- One was is a British technical paper, One was an IIT-K paper, Kanti mahajan paper and Megesey book - Also used Roark's for plate bending and limiting deflections, stress.
My question pertains to anchorage ratio J.
Listed Below Relevant sections from each of the standard industry references.
I am looking at ASCE 7-16 (note ASCE 7-22 has same equations too) - Section 15.7-2
I am looking at API 650 - Section E6.2.1.1.1
I am looking at AWWA D100-21 - Section Section 13.5.4.1
All of the references listed above has same equations but they have been derived for Circular Cross section of Tanks- J being the Ratio of Overturning Moment Ms with Resisting Moment . Thinking of a circular cross section in mind The factor J decides the need for mechanical anchors. Points of interest on the ratio's being 0.784 and 1.54 which are from other threads and equations as I understand ( supposed to be approximately PI()/4 and PI()/2 ) - Not sure the derivation behind it.
Something similar to eccentricity being within kern type for no uplift, Uplift but still within for stability and outside of kern for requiring mechanical anchors? Analogy.
I am trying to figure out J for a rectangular Tank? What should be the values for it . Do I simply do standard rectangular slab check and see if eccentricity (M overturning/ Effective Weight) is less than Side dimension (L/6) ? What would be the point where it is considered stable and not requiring mechanical anchors? And point when it requires mechanical anchors ?
If Msx (Per AWWA D100 in X-Direction) - Design Overturning moment at the bottom of the shell - (Similar to Mrw (ringwall moment) is ASCE 7-16 And API 650) is the moment applied on slab about centroid from the applied Sax (seismic horizontal Load in X-Direction ) .
Then eccentricity e (similar to J) would be divided by resisting weight -
Calculating resisting weight from shell and roof around the whole Perimeter (2*(L+B)) = ((Weight of Shell+ Weight of roof load)/(2*(L+B)) * (1-0.4*Av)
API 650 and AWWA has reduction in this weight for the Vertical Seismic Force. ASCE 7-16 doesn't (That is a side question that don't want to delve into right now but any reference may be helpful as to why?)
For the weight of tank contents that can be used for resisting overturning (explained in ASCE 7-16 as This is the annulus of liquid limited by bending strength of the tank bottom or annular plate)
In my case i do not have a separate annular plate - So let's just consider without one - what should be the weight of this liquid ?
wL in AWWA calls this as 7.9*tb*Sqrt( Fy HG) <= 1.28 HDG - EQ (13-3) is this still applicable for Rectangular tank also Length max equation for L=0.216*tb*Sqrt(Fy/HG) which has a limits of 3.5% of diameter? Similar limits to the largest length dimension of rectangular tank ? What would be the limiting value replace "L" side dimension with D? Does anyone know the basis of this equation or limit and calculation ?
Is my general approach making sense for a rectangular tank ?
Any help in this direction would be much helpful .
IITK paper simply puts the ratio oh H/D(or L) needs to be less than (1/Ai (horizontal acceleration) - Not sure if it is that simple or needs other checks.
I am new to the Tank industry but been involved in structural engineering for 12+ years
This is yet another Rectangular Tank Design Question!
I know these are inefficient but the client wants what the client wants from a space perspective.
Rectangular Water Storage Tank Design - I pretty much used most of the references that I found from this forum and multiple posts- One was is a British technical paper, One was an IIT-K paper, Kanti mahajan paper and Megesey book - Also used Roark's for plate bending and limiting deflections, stress.
My question pertains to anchorage ratio J.
Listed Below Relevant sections from each of the standard industry references.
I am looking at ASCE 7-16 (note ASCE 7-22 has same equations too) - Section 15.7-2
I am looking at API 650 - Section E6.2.1.1.1
I am looking at AWWA D100-21 - Section Section 13.5.4.1
All of the references listed above has same equations but they have been derived for Circular Cross section of Tanks- J being the Ratio of Overturning Moment Ms with Resisting Moment . Thinking of a circular cross section in mind The factor J decides the need for mechanical anchors. Points of interest on the ratio's being 0.784 and 1.54 which are from other threads and equations as I understand ( supposed to be approximately PI()/4 and PI()/2 ) - Not sure the derivation behind it.
Something similar to eccentricity being within kern type for no uplift, Uplift but still within for stability and outside of kern for requiring mechanical anchors? Analogy.
I am trying to figure out J for a rectangular Tank? What should be the values for it . Do I simply do standard rectangular slab check and see if eccentricity (M overturning/ Effective Weight) is less than Side dimension (L/6) ? What would be the point where it is considered stable and not requiring mechanical anchors? And point when it requires mechanical anchors ?
If Msx (Per AWWA D100 in X-Direction) - Design Overturning moment at the bottom of the shell - (Similar to Mrw (ringwall moment) is ASCE 7-16 And API 650) is the moment applied on slab about centroid from the applied Sax (seismic horizontal Load in X-Direction ) .
Then eccentricity e (similar to J) would be divided by resisting weight -
Calculating resisting weight from shell and roof around the whole Perimeter (2*(L+B)) = ((Weight of Shell+ Weight of roof load)/(2*(L+B)) * (1-0.4*Av)
API 650 and AWWA has reduction in this weight for the Vertical Seismic Force. ASCE 7-16 doesn't (That is a side question that don't want to delve into right now but any reference may be helpful as to why?)
For the weight of tank contents that can be used for resisting overturning (explained in ASCE 7-16 as This is the annulus of liquid limited by bending strength of the tank bottom or annular plate)
In my case i do not have a separate annular plate - So let's just consider without one - what should be the weight of this liquid ?
wL in AWWA calls this as 7.9*tb*Sqrt( Fy HG) <= 1.28 HDG - EQ (13-3) is this still applicable for Rectangular tank also Length max equation for L=0.216*tb*Sqrt(Fy/HG) which has a limits of 3.5% of diameter? Similar limits to the largest length dimension of rectangular tank ? What would be the limiting value replace "L" side dimension with D? Does anyone know the basis of this equation or limit and calculation ?
Is my general approach making sense for a rectangular tank ?
Any help in this direction would be much helpful .
IITK paper simply puts the ratio oh H/D(or L) needs to be less than (1/Ai (horizontal acceleration) - Not sure if it is that simple or needs other checks.