msquared48
Structural
- Aug 7, 2007
- 14,745
I have a project I mentioned previously in the recent past where an 8" brick "historical" wall has to be temporarily supported both vertically and laterally during a building demolition and subsequent erection. I have been tasked to re-design the shoring system.
A previous design by another firm was undertaken under the 1997 UBC and wind and seismic values calculated and posted on the drawings. The "Rp" value used for the seismic force was 3.0 (Table 16-O, item 1.A(2)), which corresponded to Section 1632, Lateral Force on Elements of Structures, Non Structural Components, and Equipment Supported By Structures". The net seismic force shown was just under 4 Kips. If I run through equation 1632.2, it appears that the original design force should have been closer to 19 Kips, not 4 Kips. Hmmm.![[nosmiley] [nosmiley] [nosmiley]](/data/assets/smilies/nosmiley.gif)
Well, OK, that's one problem. I have to re-design this thing per the 2006 IBC and ACSE 7-05. In reading the IBC, I am confused here. Should I be designing this frame, a space frame in reality, under Chapter 15 of the IBC - "Seismic Design Requirements for Non-Building Structures"? If so, which table to determine "R", Table 15.4-1 for Non-Building Structures Similar to Buildings", or Table 15.4-2 for "Non-Building Structures Not Similar to Buildings"?![[ponder] [ponder] [ponder]](/data/assets/smilies/ponder.gif)
To keep things simple, I would like to use an Ordinary Steel Concentric Braced Frame system, but the R factor is 3.0, pushing the seismic force to about 15 Kips, quadruple the original posted design, but nearer to the "what should have been used" design force. For that degree of difference, I think I could also be missing something here too. The approximation of Section 15.4.2 gives about the same V. If I go to a Special Concentric, the force drops to about 8 Kips, still double the original posted force.
Or were the original design forces wrong? I think that I just have to scrap the original design, assuming it underdesigned, and use the forces I am generating, unless I have missed some code loophole.![[banghead] [banghead] [banghead]](/data/assets/smilies/banghead.gif)
Sorry for the long post. It's not like me. I'm just momentarily confused, I think.![[sadeyes] [sadeyes] [sadeyes]](/data/assets/smilies/sadeyes.gif)
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
A previous design by another firm was undertaken under the 1997 UBC and wind and seismic values calculated and posted on the drawings. The "Rp" value used for the seismic force was 3.0 (Table 16-O, item 1.A(2)), which corresponded to Section 1632, Lateral Force on Elements of Structures, Non Structural Components, and Equipment Supported By Structures". The net seismic force shown was just under 4 Kips. If I run through equation 1632.2, it appears that the original design force should have been closer to 19 Kips, not 4 Kips. Hmmm.
![[nosmiley] [nosmiley] [nosmiley]](/data/assets/smilies/nosmiley.gif)
Well, OK, that's one problem. I have to re-design this thing per the 2006 IBC and ACSE 7-05. In reading the IBC, I am confused here. Should I be designing this frame, a space frame in reality, under Chapter 15 of the IBC - "Seismic Design Requirements for Non-Building Structures"? If so, which table to determine "R", Table 15.4-1 for Non-Building Structures Similar to Buildings", or Table 15.4-2 for "Non-Building Structures Not Similar to Buildings"?
![[ponder] [ponder] [ponder]](/data/assets/smilies/ponder.gif)
To keep things simple, I would like to use an Ordinary Steel Concentric Braced Frame system, but the R factor is 3.0, pushing the seismic force to about 15 Kips, quadruple the original posted design, but nearer to the "what should have been used" design force. For that degree of difference, I think I could also be missing something here too. The approximation of Section 15.4.2 gives about the same V. If I go to a Special Concentric, the force drops to about 8 Kips, still double the original posted force.
Or were the original design forces wrong? I think that I just have to scrap the original design, assuming it underdesigned, and use the forces I am generating, unless I have missed some code loophole.
![[banghead] [banghead] [banghead]](/data/assets/smilies/banghead.gif)
Sorry for the long post. It's not like me. I'm just momentarily confused, I think.
![[sadeyes] [sadeyes] [sadeyes]](/data/assets/smilies/sadeyes.gif)
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering