ASME Pressure Vessel/boiler code guide - which is best? 3

[wylde21]

Hello:

Please see my application below, but I a requesting recommendations for a very good ASME Pressure Vessel & boiler code guide book. I do not wish to purchase the entire ASME code (over $10k) for a simple single project.

I am working on a short term project designing a machine (which I have experience with) that will fit inside a fabricated pressure vessel that will operate under vacuum (which I have no experience with).

The tank uses "standard" ASME heads and I have specified that the vessel cylinder walls match he material grade and thickness of the heads. Welding is being done at an experienced tank fab shop, with ASME certified welders.

Again, I am looking for recommendations on a good quality ASME pressure vessel and boiler code guide book (that I can use in place of the whole code) that will give me enough information to understand and properly specify ASME related code vessels/welds/etc..

Thank you,
Sean

 

[gr2vessels]

wylde21,
ASME VIII code has no cheap substitute and the use of this code requires years of experience in pressure vessel design. You got a commandable ambition, however I suggest to sub-contract the design of your vessel to an experienced designer, familiar with ASME code requirements. You will save heaps of money and headaches.
best regards,
gr2vessels

 

[wylde21]

gr2vessels -

I appreciate the input. Yes I know the best way would be to farm the work out. But that is not an option.

Do you have any input on a ASME Pressure Vessel & boiler code guide book? There are several available, and I am looking for recommendations.

Thanks again,
Sean

 

[vesselfab]

the fab shop that is fabricating the vessels is required to have a set of code books that they work to. Give them the parameters/side of your vessel and they will design and certify the fabrication/design of the vessel.

 

[wylde21]

Okay, I guess I gave too much information - or maybe not enough - in my original post?

The tank is designed and built. It was even tested and works fine for the (vacuum) application. Heads were ASME standard and the walls matched the head material and thickness. the welder was ASME certified. All is well on that front, thanks.

Again, what I need is a good reference book on ASME Pressure Vessel & boiler code? This is for my reference.

Again, yes the code is the authority, but I do not want to spend over 10k to purchase the whole code.

Thank you,
Sean

 

[gr2vessels]

"Pressure Vessel Design manual - DR Moss and other similar manuals. Google "pressure vessel design".

However, non of these manuals will entitle your fabricator to put the U stamp on the vessel, most likely your AI won't accept your calculations and almost certain you won't get insurance for the equipment. Are you a Registered Professional Engineer in the design of pressure vessels?

There is no such thing "ASME standard head", you probably have heard of some semi-elliptical dished end, but torispherical heads are just as "standard" ends. Usually, for a particular range of design pressure, the thickness of the "standard" head exceeds twice the shell thickness, on a basis of rigorous code calculations, not ball park selected.
Did you or do you intend to include in your calculations external loads like seismic calculations and wind loads, piping loads, etc. These calculations are nowadays available on specific software (refer, say PV Elite and others) at a cost of thousands of dollars.
How do you know that your vessel comes under the ASME jurisdiction;- so far you said that there is some vacuum (less than 15 psi vacuum). The ASME code excludes the equipment with design pressure of less than 15 psi or design vacuum of less than 15 psi.
Sorry wylde21, I still discourage you of attempting the design which is out of your range, but which may cost other people life.
gr2vessels

 

[wylde21]

gr2vessels -

I do appreciate your concern. I now believe that I put too much information in my original post regarding the application. All I really wanted was some tank guys to point me to a great ASME vessel code reference book.

I created the design, a PE (with vessel experience) reviewed the design, as did the fab shop. I know the heads are not standard, but they are from Brighton Tru-Edge and, as you indicate, though not standard, but do meet certain basic ASME criterea for ID radius. These are about as "standard" as we could find.

I can not go into the design too much, as it is proprietary. Yes, in fact the tank does not need to be ASME stamped because of the vacuum application. I specified the tank me ASME for the comfort level of our customers. The tank fab shop certified the design and has all the proper credentials.

Again, I really do appreciate the input and your concern.

Thanks,
Sean

 

[wylde21]

I have seen "Pressure Vessel Design Manual" by Moss, and it seems to get mixed reviews for typos, poor calcualtion references (I want the ASME code references clear), and being overly complicated.

Any other recommendations?

 

[gr2vessels]

wylde21,
There is a large, very large number of books you could use for your reference. I am suggesting to select one or more suitable (including free or slightly outdated) books from the search engine called "google", as mentioned in my second reply. Unfortunately, you won't like my other suggestions which could be costly and might not even serve your needs. However, check out name like Bednar, Medgyessy, Somnath Chattopadhyay, Zick and not least, the second hand book shops for a bargain, just like I did some time ago..
Good luck,
gr2vessels

 

[SnTMan]

wylde21, "Pressure Vessel Design Handbook" by Bednar is pretty good, the book by Moss is also useful.

Regards,

Mike

 

[vesselguy]

wylde21,

What you want is the good "Code guide" book from
1. CASTI Guidebook to ASME Section VIII Div. 1
and
2. Pressure Vessels: The ASME Code Simplified by Robert Chuse

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pressure-Vessels-ASME-Code-Simplified/dp/0070109397

Never mind Moss or Bednar if all you want is refereces to the Code. I strongly suggest 2 as it lists paragraphs in the Code that things applies to.

 

[wylde21]

Yes, you are correct, I need a "Code guide" book. Those are great suggestions, and much appreciated.

Thank you to all who made suggestions.

Sean

 

[proinwv2]

You do not need to buy the entire code at $10k. From your information it seems that you only need Sec.VIII-Div 1 and Sec II-D, but then I do agree with the other comments about being careful where you tread.

Even if your vessel is not covered by the code, a failed vessel can be hazardous.

Best wishes

Paul Ostand

http://www.ostand.com

 

[LSThill]

wylde21 (Mechanical)

additional option:

NATIONAL BOARD Boiler Pressure Vessel Training at:

1) Ivy Tech State College Boiler Pressure Vessel Training course Rod Dowell Manager (812) 298-2492
rdowell3@ivytech.edu

Brenda McQueen Assistant (812) 298-2353 bmcqueen@ivytech.edu

You will need to meet the requirement for NATIONAL BOARD Boiler Pressure Vessel before you can take the training.

2)
Pressure Vessel Design & Analysis

Companion Guide to the ASME Boiler & Pressure Vessel Code
by: :K. R. Rao
ISBN: : 0791801640
A comprehensive two volume set discussing a multitude of topics related to pressure vessels and piping.


Pressure Vessel Design Handbook
by: :Henry Bednar
ISBN: : 08946403X
A more advanced vessel text with derivations of equations from basic theory.

Pressure Vessel Handbook, 12th Edition
by: :Eugene F. Megyesy
A basic text showing the major equations used. Includes many tables, sketches, and examples.

Pressure Vessel Design Manual
by: ennis R. Moss
ISBN: : 0750677406
A basic text showing the major equations used. Includes many tables, sketches, and examples. (3rd Edition, December 2003.)


Process Equipment Design
by: :Brownell & Young
ISBN: : 0471113190
An excellent text covering all aspects of pressure vessel design. Also includes chapters on aboveground storage tanks, high pressure vessels, and multilayer vessels.

Structural Analysis and Design of Process Equipment
by: :Jawad & Farr
ISBN: : 0471624713
A comprehensive text convering the theory behind the design of pressure vessels and tanks.

Theory and Design of Pressure Vessels
by: :John F. Harvey
ISBN: : 0412986515
A comprehensive text on the stresses in pressure vessels. Topics also include fracture, discontinuity stresses, design/construction consequences, and buckling.




L S THILL

 

[LSThill]

The following is a selected list of references used by COMPRESS.

API RP 510, Second Edition

"Inspection, Rating and Repair of Pressure Vessels in Petroleum Refinery Service"
American Petroleum Institute
Division of Refining
1271 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10020
September 1970

ASCE 7-88 (Formerly ANSI A58.1)
"Minimum Design Loads for Buildings and Other Structures"
American Society of Civil Engineers
345 East 47th Street
New York, NY 10017-2398
ASCE 7-93 (Revision of ANSI/ASCE 7-88)
"Minimum Design Loads for Buildings and Other Structures"
American Society of Civil Engineers
345 East 47th Street
New York, NY 10017-2398

ASME Section VIII Division 1
"Rules for Construction of Pressure Vessels"
The American Society of Mechanical Engineers
345 East 47th Street
New York, NY 10017
ASME/ANSI B16.5-1988 Pipe Flanges and Flanged Fittings
The American Society of Mechanical Engineers
345 East 47th Street
New York, NY 10017

American National Standard, 1988
ANSI/ASME B36.10M/1985 Welded and Seamless Wrought Steel Pipe
The American Society of Mechanical Engineers
345 East 47th Street
New York, NY 10017

American National Standard, 1985
ASME B16.47 - 1990 Large Diameter Steel Flanges
The American Society of Mechanical Engineers
345 East 47th Street
New York, NY 10017

American National Standard, 1990
Henry H. Bednar, P.E.
Pressure Vessel Design Handbook, Second Edition
Van Nostrand Reinhold Company Inc.
115 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY

COMPRESS uses the method presented in Bednar, Chapter 8.6 for calculating the discontinuity stress at cone to cylinder junctures. This method is based on Ref. 26-3 (below).

E.O. Bergman
"The Design of Vertical Pressure Vessels Subjected to Applied Forces"
Paper No. 54 - A-104
ASME Transactions, 1955
Alhambra, California

H.C. Boardman
Pressure Vessel and Piping Design, Collected Papers
"Stresses at Junction of Cone and Cylinder in Tanks with Cone Bottoms or Ends"
ASME, New York, NY, 1960

L.E. Brownell and E.H. Young
Process Equipment Design
John Wiley & Sons
605 Third Avenue
New York, NY 10158-0012
Chapter 10 of Brownell & Young is used as the basis for designing vessel base rings, anchor bolts etc.

Bulletin 107, March 1979 revision
"Local Stresses in Spherical and Cylindrical Shells Due to External Loadings"
Welding Research Council
345 East 47th Street
New York, NY 10017

The WRC Bulletin 107 paper is used to calculate the stresses due to external loadings on shell attachments. Note that the March 1979 revision is used. The March 1979 revision contains a number of changes which will generally produce a more conservative analysis when compared with previous WRC107 revisions.

Bulletin 502, Edition VII
"Modern Flange Design"
G+W Taylor-Bonney Division
P.O. Box 999
Southfield, Michigan 48037

C.E. Freese
Transactions of the ASME
"Vibration of Vertical Pressure Vessels"
February, 1959
This paper by C.E. Freese provides the basis for calculating the deflection and fundamental period of vibration for vertical vessels and towers.

K.R. Wichman, A.G. Hopper and J.L. Mershion
Maan H. Jawad & James R. Farr
Structural Analysis & Design Of Process Equipment, Second Edition
John Wiley & Sons Inc.
605 Third Avenue
New York, NY 10158-0012
The method used by COMPRESS to calculate the combined effect of external pressure plus bending moments is taken from Chapter 16.6 of this text. The COMPRESS calculation procedure for sizing anchor bolts and base rings is based on the method presented in Chapter 12.2 of this text.
K. C. Karamchandani, N. K. Gupta, J. Pattabiraman
"Evaluation of Percent Critical Damping of Process Towers"
Hydrocarbon Processing, May 1982

Manual of Steel Construction Allowable Stress Design
Ninth Edition
American Institute of Steel Construction, Inc.
1 East Wacker Drive, Suite 3100
Chicago, Illinois 60601
Dennis R. Moss
Pressure Vessel Design Manual, Second Edition
Gulf Publishing Company
P.O. Box 2608
Houston, TX 77252-2608
1997

E. F. Megysey
Pressure Vessel Handbook
Pressure Vessel Handbook Publishing Inc.
P.O. Box 35365
Tulsa, OK 74153

National Building Code of Canada 1990
First Revisions and Errata
Associate Committee on the National Building Code
National Research Council of Canada
Ottawa
January 1991
Supplement to the National Building Code of Canada 1990
Associate Committee on the National Building Code
National Research Council of Canada
Ottawa
January 1991
P. Sachs

"Wind Forces in Engineering "
Pergamon Press
New York, 1972
Ong Lin Seng
"Effectiveness of Wear Plate at the Saddle Support"
ASME Transactions, Vol. 114, 1992
Nanyang Technological University,
School of Mechanical and Production Engineering,
Singapore
Uniform Building Code 1994, Volume 2
"Structural Engineering Design Provisions"
International Conference of Building Officials
5360 Workman Mill Road
Whittier, CA 90601 - 2298
Uniform Building Code 1991
International Conference of Building Officials
5360 South Workman Mill Road
Whittier, CA 90601

L.P. Zick
The Welding Research Supplement, 1971
"Stresses in Large Horizontal Cylindrical Pressure Vessels on two Saddle Supports"

 

[robsalv]

? I got the strong impression the OP wanted a guide book in lieu of having the entire code, in order to do calcs ?

A code guide book might be ok to do some check calcs but not for actual designing.

By the way, can any code guide book be good without the actually code to refer to??


Anyway, sounds like there are lots of suggestions.

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[decode]

What people used to call ASME standard head is the Torispherical Head defined in UG-32(e)

 

[dalea60]

wylde21,

If you're looking for a book that has the general calculations, examples and quite a bit of good reference information, I'd go with the Pressure Vessel Handbook by Megyesy. It's published by PV Publishing (

http://www.pvpub.com).

Current edition is the 13th. You'll notice that several of these books have very similar names. The web site lists quite a few of the books listed in other replies & has descriptions of the books.

Dale