ASME Y14.45 Public Review and Comment Period - July 24th to September 20th, 2020 2

[Dean Watts]

Hi All,

ASME Y14.45, a new standard titled "Measurement Data Reporting", is now available for public review. Comments need to be provided using the ASME form that I will attach to a separate post, to Fred Constantino at ASME, per the instructions on the form. The last day that comments will be accepted is Tuesday, Sep 22nd, 2020.

I've attached the public review draft file. It is also available here Link

Dean
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[Dean Watts]

Hello again,

The ASME comment form is attached.

Dean

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[Tarator]

Dean Watts,

Do you also happen to have the draft version of ASME Y14.5.1-20xx "Mathematical Definition of Dimensioning and Tolerancing Principles" that you are allowed to share?

Thank you.

 

[Dean Watts]

Hi Tarator,

The day you posted your question, I sent an email to the ASME secretary that oversees the Y14 committees, asking if the Y14.5.1 draft from the past public review can be sent to others. I don't think they should have any restrictions on this, since is was released to the public already. I haven't yet heard back from him yet.

I'll respond again as soon as I hear from him.

Dean

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[Jacob Cheverie]

Hi Dean,

If you do hear back and it is OK to send out, can I also be on the request list?

Thank you.

 

[Dean Watts]

Hi Jacob,

Yes, I am planning to attach the file to a post here, so all can have access. I don't think ASME has a good means of sufficiently advertising when public reviews of standards are occurring, so I think a place where anyone can access the file, even after the public review is over, would be a good thing.

Just to clarify for anyone reading the subject, then jumping right to this post, the request is to have access to the former public review draft of Y14.5.1. I posted the public review draft of Y14.45 to the first post in this thread.

Dean

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[3DDave]

For certain they do not contact people who have submitted comments in the past.

 

[Dean Watts]

3DDave,

For a public review, responses are supposed to be sent for each comment submitted. For the Y14.45 public review, a response will be sent for each comment.

Dean

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[3DDave]

I meant they do not announce the later versions or other standards in the series to those have previously participated.

edit - to your point - they do withhold what types of comments made so that everyone can waste lots of time reporting the same defects rather than seeing suggestions as-is and either seeing they will be dealt with or adding clarifications.

 

[Dean Watts]

3DDave,

Ah, yes, we agree then. They don't seem to have found a good way to inform the user-base of new releases or public reviews. Keeping a distribution list, based on those who have attended meetings or submitted comments in the past, would be a good way to do this. I'll ask that this be done in the future. We'll see what they can do.

Dean

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[aniiben]

For good or bad, I think Mr. Jensen has different philosophy and he would not allow the draft to be published.
During the public review you could have requested from Mr Constantino.
Only committee members were allowed to have electronic copies of the draft. The rest of public only hard copies with prohibition to copy any pages

 

[Dean Watts]

Aniben,

Electronic files of draft standards currently in public review are available on the ASME site. The Y14.45 public review draft is available at

https://cstools.asme.org/csconnect/...licReview&SortBy=DesignationTitle&StartRow=11

Dean

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[aniiben]

Dean,
You know better than anybody else that is not true for other y14 standards. Every chair has his /her own approach on how to handle public reviews and its applicable license criteria.
For example Jennifer Heron has the same idea of having electronic format for public for her Additive manufacturing standard, but Mr Drake (Y14.5) does not.
So, not everyone agrees to have their unlicensed copy for the masses.

 

[pmarc]

Dean,
I was actually kind of surprised that you decided to release electronic version to the public. I am not saying this is something wrong, just that very few Y14 sub-committee Chairs do it this way.

Actually, when I look at the page with the in-progress public reviews, Y14.43 draft is available only as a purchased copy. Over 100 bucks for a draft is a bit too much (saying very gently).

 

[aniiben]

Pmarc,
Having an electronic copy for the general public is increasing the chances of good feedback from competent people which is critical specially for the first release as being the case for y14.45.

For the gaging standard looks like Mr. Meadows is all for money.
No wondering ......he released his own 2018 standard based book just few months after ASME published/ released their 2018 standard.
Go figure.....being first on the market add some extra money in your pocket.
...

 

[pmarc]

aniiben,
I fully agree with the first part of your reply.

As for the second part... as a member of some of the Y14 sub-committees I will simply refrain from making more direct comments ;-)

 

[aniiben]

I am not a member of y14 committee and I am using the free speech amendment.

 

[Dean Watts]

aniiben,

You know better than anybody else that is not true for other y14 standards. Every chair has his /her own approach on how to handle public reviews and its applicable license criteria.
For example Jennifer Heron has the same idea of having electronic format for public for her Additive manufacturing standard, but Mr Drake (Y14.5) does not.
So, not everyone agrees to have their unlicensed copy for the masses.

I don't understand why you're saying all of this. The Chair of a Y14 subcommittee does not dictate any of this. Y14.43 is being reaffirmed, so that price is for buying the current Y14.43 standard. ASME makes all of these decisions. The Chair has nothing to do with any of this.

In defense of any subcommittee member that releases training material on a new standard sooner than you may think they should, members of these committees volunteer their time to contribute to improving the standards. Some get full support from the company they work for to participate. Others don't get support from their employer but they take time off work and pay their travel expenses in order to participate. Others are on their own, so part of the picture when they attend meetings, or sit for hours at home working on the standard, is also lost income. In my opinion, if some degree of "early release" advantage is gained then it may tend to partially make things right, given the helpful contribution I believe that person has been making to these standards we all use.

I still haven't heard back from ASME regarding the old public review draft of Y14.5.1. I'll comment again once I have received a reply.

Dean

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[Dean Watts]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

The past public review draft of Y15.5.1 is considered to be void, by ASME, so I was not successful in my attempt to get ASME permission to post it here.

Dean

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[Tarator]

Dean,

Thank you for trying.