Auto. engine >> vertical shaft power output

[amorrison]

Anybody know of a bolt on device to get a vertical shaft output from a 100+ HP auto. engine? No transmission.

Current options:

1. A RWD car with IRS. Turn IRS 90 degrees and block one IRS output shaft from turning.
Problem: Transmission weight and "crude" design.
2. Shaft drive motorcycle - turn the rear wheel axel shaft 90 degrees to give a vertical shaft power output.

 

[EngJW]

There are many companies that make industrial gear boxes of various configurations. Chelsea is one that comes to mind but I don't know what they offer.

Are you rotating the engine? You will probably need a dry sump system and fuel injection.

 

[amorrison]

No rotation of engine - stationary.

 

[EngJW]

No, by rotating I meant standing it on end. Sorry about that.

 

[amorrison]

Rotating ( your definition :<) )would be an acceptable option but I have seen nothing on it anywhere.
I would be very interested in any information you can provide.
Thanks.

 

[Warpspeed]

Output shaft up or down, what output Rpm ?

If it is down, how about a 100Hp engine from an outboard motor ?

 

[amorrison]

Up or down shaft and rpm doesn't make any difference as I want to split the power into additional pullies/belts/chain drives downstream.

Re: Outboard motor

I recall someone experimenting with this idea several years ago but do not know if it was successful - probably not as I have heard nothing further....?

Someone once suggested that it would be easier to take the outboards power off the top flywheel . . . but I have heard nothing more about this either.

What I would like is to find a developed/commercial option.

PS. I think it is strange that will all the thousands of different types of machines available in the marketplace that there is nothing readily available that will give 30-150 hp in a vertical shaft.

 

[Warpspeed]

The only real advantage of the outboard is that the oiling system, sump and carby are already designed to run with the crank vertical.

If a gearbox is needed anyway, might as well stay with a horizontal crank and turn the drive through 90 degrees.

How about a transaxle gearbox, with the bellhousing rotated ninety degrees ?

 

[patprimmer]

What is wrong with a normal differential with the differential gears locked, or replaced by a spool type centre, which converts the differential to a non differential bevel gear drive. That way you retain designed axle speed and do not load up the side gears.

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[Tmoose]

http://www.hondaoutboard.co.uk/Marine_Shop/images/technicaldiagramlg.jpg

 

[amorrison]

Right angle agricultural drives here.

New Zealand

http://www.bareco.com.au/files/pto2002/selgearbox.htm

 

[strokersix]

Agree with amorrison. Lots of PTO driven mower decks have right angle gearboxes.

 

[amorrison]

This site (in OZ) has direct flywheel/crankshaft power adapters to give male output shafts. The power can then be put into a right angle drive.

http://www.oemdynamics.com.au/power.htm

 

[EHudson]

A stern drive unit from a power boat uses a 100+ auto engine and two 90 degree drives to transmit power to the prop.

Perhaps you could find a boat drive for sale that has had the lower unit damaged. You can bolt something in place of the customary gear box and skeg.