canstruct12
Structural
- Dec 18, 2018
- 26
Hello,
I am a civil/structural engineer working on a site in Canada. We currently have a consultant designing a new bridge for us to cross an existing train track.
The consultant has provided a preliminary design which includes an ~23m bailey bridge passing over 2 railway tracks. This is a single lane bridge that will typically be used for emergencies or light vehicles. The bailey bridge sits on timber abutments (12m parallel to bridge, 7m perpendicular to the bridge and 8m high), constructed of 200mm x 200mm alternating direction timbers (leaving openings of 200mm between layers). The material inside the timber abutments is a rip-rap material consisting of stone 250mm to 400mm diameter as to not migrate through the openings. and common material to create approaches.
I have reservations about using timber for the abutments, as they are not as robust a material as piles, steel bins or MSE walls. I have not been able to find much information about it (between the Canadian Highway Bridge Design Code (CHBDC) and the FHWA literature), but have been told by our consultant and a 3rd party estimator this would be the cheapest option.
As well the use of rip-rap for inside the abutments is different than anything I have seen previously as fill material. Typically I would expect a common material and have any large stones adjacent to the structure removed, as not to create pressure points against the structure, as material settles shifts. Will the 250mm to 400mm diameter rip-rap material cause a similar pressure (active earth pressure) against the timber structure, same as material placed behind a retaining wall would?
Any information is welcome.
I am a civil/structural engineer working on a site in Canada. We currently have a consultant designing a new bridge for us to cross an existing train track.
The consultant has provided a preliminary design which includes an ~23m bailey bridge passing over 2 railway tracks. This is a single lane bridge that will typically be used for emergencies or light vehicles. The bailey bridge sits on timber abutments (12m parallel to bridge, 7m perpendicular to the bridge and 8m high), constructed of 200mm x 200mm alternating direction timbers (leaving openings of 200mm between layers). The material inside the timber abutments is a rip-rap material consisting of stone 250mm to 400mm diameter as to not migrate through the openings. and common material to create approaches.
I have reservations about using timber for the abutments, as they are not as robust a material as piles, steel bins or MSE walls. I have not been able to find much information about it (between the Canadian Highway Bridge Design Code (CHBDC) and the FHWA literature), but have been told by our consultant and a 3rd party estimator this would be the cheapest option.
As well the use of rip-rap for inside the abutments is different than anything I have seen previously as fill material. Typically I would expect a common material and have any large stones adjacent to the structure removed, as not to create pressure points against the structure, as material settles shifts. Will the 250mm to 400mm diameter rip-rap material cause a similar pressure (active earth pressure) against the timber structure, same as material placed behind a retaining wall would?
Any information is welcome.