Sep 9, 2010 #1 tech2580 Petroleum Joined Sep 9, 2010 Messages 1 Location US The problem is: A 2ft^3 vessel is filled w/ 1 lbm of water at 100psia. What is the total internal energy and entropy of the vessel? It's been a while since working a problem like this, any ideas? Everything is greatly appreciated, many thanks in advance
The problem is: A 2ft^3 vessel is filled w/ 1 lbm of water at 100psia. What is the total internal energy and entropy of the vessel? It's been a while since working a problem like this, any ideas? Everything is greatly appreciated, many thanks in advance
Sep 9, 2010 1 #2 davefitz Mechanical Joined Jan 27, 2003 Messages 2,927 Location US you need any 2 properties to determine the other properties. You have P= 100psia, and v= 2./1. = 2 ft3/lbm. so now use a steam table and obtain the rest. Upvote 0 Downvote
you need any 2 properties to determine the other properties. You have P= 100psia, and v= 2./1. = 2 ft3/lbm. so now use a steam table and obtain the rest.
Sep 9, 2010 #3 25362 Chemical Joined Jan 5, 2003 Messages 4,826 Location CA Since 0.5 lb/cf is not the density of the water at 100 psia, can you tell us the temperature? Upvote 0 Downvote
Sep 10, 2010 #4 davefitz Mechanical Joined Jan 27, 2003 Messages 2,927 Location US Another word for water that has already evaporated is "steam" from the following online steam tables <http://www.steamtablesonline.com/steam97web.aspx>p=100., T= 327.8, v= 2.0, h= 697.7, s=0.981216 units are english units, not metric. Upvote 0 Downvote
Another word for water that has already evaporated is "steam" from the following online steam tables <http://www.steamtablesonline.com/steam97web.aspx>p=100., T= 327.8, v= 2.0, h= 697.7, s=0.981216 units are english units, not metric.
Sep 10, 2010 #5 ione Mechanical Joined Oct 22, 2009 Messages 1,342 Location IT From the tables I’ve got at p = 100 psia and T = 327.87 °F the specific volume of steam v = 4.43313 ft3/lb. Upvote 0 Downvote
From the tables I’ve got at p = 100 psia and T = 327.87 °F the specific volume of steam v = 4.43313 ft3/lb.
Sep 10, 2010 #6 25362 Chemical Joined Jan 5, 2003 Messages 4,826 Location CA My steam tables didn't show a value for the given data. Therefore I had to assume it is a mixture of liquid and vapor. It appears to be wet steam with a 44.9% quality as shown by the "calculator" suggested by davefitz. Upvote 0 Downvote
My steam tables didn't show a value for the given data. Therefore I had to assume it is a mixture of liquid and vapor. It appears to be wet steam with a 44.9% quality as shown by the "calculator" suggested by davefitz.
Sep 10, 2010 #7 ione Mechanical Joined Oct 22, 2009 Messages 1,342 Location IT 25362, I was referring to dry steam. I agree with you that wet steam (44.9% dryness) has the values of enthalpy reported by davefitz Upvote 0 Downvote
25362, I was referring to dry steam. I agree with you that wet steam (44.9% dryness) has the values of enthalpy reported by davefitz
Sep 10, 2010 #8 gruntguru Mechanical Joined Mar 1, 2008 Messages 1,279 Location AU At the given pressure and specific volume it cannot be "dry steam". It is a "saturated mixture" Upvote 0 Downvote
Sep 10, 2010 #9 25362 Chemical Joined Jan 5, 2003 Messages 4,826 Location CA One exception to the statement: You need any 2 properties to determine the other properties. Click to expand... It cannot apply when the two given properties are saturation pressure and temperature. In this case one needs an extensive property. Upvote 0 Downvote
One exception to the statement: You need any 2 properties to determine the other properties. Click to expand... It cannot apply when the two given properties are saturation pressure and temperature. In this case one needs an extensive property.
Sep 10, 2010 #10 25362 Chemical Joined Jan 5, 2003 Messages 4,826 Location CA Or, of course, the steam quality. Upvote 0 Downvote
Sep 10, 2010 #11 25362 Chemical Joined Jan 5, 2003 Messages 4,826 Location CA Or specific volume, which is another intensive property. Upvote 0 Downvote