Doove117
Mechanical
- Jan 25, 2014
- 12
Hi
we supply skid mounted process plant for marine and oil and gas sector.
All 2" lines or less.
Ambient temp, <10barg.
Seawater with some chenical.
One line has bubble entrained gas flowing to a degas tank (atmospheric).
There is a small fan and a small pump on the skid.
Our designers put helical split spring washers everywhere and I am told the reason is vibration which seems wrong to me for the following reasons:
1. NASA fastener design manual describes helical split springs as useless as locking washers as they flatten out to effectively become flat washers.
2. There is no significant vibration; if there is then the fan or pumps are seriously unbalanced or there is something wrong in the pipe system (like chattering valve, or air)
3. The oil and gas companies' pipe classes do not specify any type of locking washer, so I have them on small bracket joints and labels and cable tray but not on the pressure envelope!
4. I have seen Junker tests on joints with and without helical split springs that show no significant variation in time taken to loosed or amplitude or frequency of cyclic load.
The company has been putting them in for 40 years and I notice I see a lot of them particularly on stuff from electrical suppliers; but noone can explain this to me.
I thought maybe it was to allow for different coeffs of thermal expansion but really that is me grabbing for ideas.
I do not like doing something by rote without knowing what the reason for it is; eg if we do have vibration issues then we should be using a more robust solution.
Can anyone advise please?
cheers
Doove
we supply skid mounted process plant for marine and oil and gas sector.
All 2" lines or less.
Ambient temp, <10barg.
Seawater with some chenical.
One line has bubble entrained gas flowing to a degas tank (atmospheric).
There is a small fan and a small pump on the skid.
Our designers put helical split spring washers everywhere and I am told the reason is vibration which seems wrong to me for the following reasons:
1. NASA fastener design manual describes helical split springs as useless as locking washers as they flatten out to effectively become flat washers.
2. There is no significant vibration; if there is then the fan or pumps are seriously unbalanced or there is something wrong in the pipe system (like chattering valve, or air)
3. The oil and gas companies' pipe classes do not specify any type of locking washer, so I have them on small bracket joints and labels and cable tray but not on the pressure envelope!
4. I have seen Junker tests on joints with and without helical split springs that show no significant variation in time taken to loosed or amplitude or frequency of cyclic load.
The company has been putting them in for 40 years and I notice I see a lot of them particularly on stuff from electrical suppliers; but noone can explain this to me.
I thought maybe it was to allow for different coeffs of thermal expansion but really that is me grabbing for ideas.
I do not like doing something by rote without knowing what the reason for it is; eg if we do have vibration issues then we should be using a more robust solution.
Can anyone advise please?
cheers
Doove