Build Here Install There - PE Stamping Requirements?

[ConstantEffort]

I am engineering an assembly from my office in state "A" of the USA. The modular parts are fabricated in state "A". These modular parts will be erected in state "B".

I am licensed in both states.

This is all on behalf of an external client, so no industrial exemption applies.

What seal(s) is/are appropriate to apply to the part fabrication drawings?
What seal(s) is/are appropriate to apply to the assembly erection drawings?

Can I go wrong by applying both seals to both sets of drawings?

 

[glass99]

In the building facade world we fabricate out of state or out of the country on almost every project, and it is stamped in the state where the building is. Glass is from China, stainless steel hardware is from Wisconsin, and pre-assembly in Texas for a project constructed in New York. In every case it will be stamped in New York because the city approval, building code, contracts, and all the other building components are in New York.

It may be different in the mechanical world, but I presume the same logic applies. Perhaps if you have a machine which can be moved around there might be different logic.

I would think that two stamps would be confusing. If there was ever an issue, which state board should take precedence? You might face two sets of disciplinary hearings. If it goes to court, you want everything in the one state.

Also: I have never understood how you would stamp the typical mechanical part and assembly drawings. Logically you can not stamp just the assembly drawings because they lack the required information, and you have to stamp the part drawings too, but that's a lot of drawings! Part fab drawings are typically quite nitty gritty, so you have a large number of them. In the facade world, you would only stamp something that looks like a mechanical assembly drawing, but it would have a bunch more dimensions and callouts than are typical of mechanical assembly drawing.

 

[JAE]

Seal with State B seal....where the project is located.

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[JStephen]

If it's custom-engineered for a particular project, it would be State B. Typical for buildings, stuff like that.
If it's a generic design that could be used anywhere, it'd be State A. Typical for machinery, cars, etc.
It seems odd to me that this is not addressed with more clarity in the engineering rules of the various states.
It would be perfectly reasonable to assume that wherever the engineer is physically located when he designs something, that he is working "there" and would seal accordingly. Sort of like a driver's license. But that's not the case, and I've engineered stuff in states I've never been in.

 

[PHovnanian]

I concur with JStephen (and others) on stamping a design in the jurisdiction where built.

This thead raises some interesting questions about providing engineering services across state lines where there is no AHJ requiring a stamp. The infamous "industrial exemption" might give rise to situations where the design is done in State A under such an exemption. But then the manufacturing is done in State B, with no exemption. Absent a requirement to stamp the design in State B, does the design step constitute an individual or company in State A (possibly unlicensed) providing engineering services in State B?

I'll take that a step further: Think about Country A and Country B.