4dmodeller
Structural
- Oct 8, 2015
- 39
Dear all,
I was wondering if you can help shed some light in my dilemma about Etabs as a lateral stability analysis tool.
Previously under my first company, I used to do a full etabs model and extract individual wall pier forces for design in a manual spreadsheet. This was all clear and is similar to how Etabs online tutorial have suggested.
At my new company, They have a design methodology that is radically different. They asked me to only draw lateral resisting shear wall (neglecting columns and other walls that may also long but are transferring and does not reach ground/ or precast wall that has minimal horizontal joint dowel connections - and thus assume not to be rigid enough to take lateral load in ultimate condition)+assign slab as membrane element with mesh option of rigid diaphragm so that it does not transfer any vertical load down the wall.
In effect, they want to extract lateral forces out of Etabs only and combine it with manual hand calc load rundown for design. Group of wall are grouped as single pier and designed as a box etc.
I was wondering if there's anything wrong in the second method?
Things that concern me about this approach is that
1. I found that despite no load transfer from slab (due to mesh option described earlier) I was still getting significant bending moment in the pier from self weight which doesn't seem right. I feel that the geometry of the slab that's connected to the wall are what causes the bending moment. But why would there be much if there's no load transfer between them?
2. can long load bearing concrete shear wall be designed not to take lateral forces? I feel that minimum connection to slab alone would cause the wall to take lateral load. perhaps it will fail and the load redistribute to other walls that are designed to take load? is that an acceptable way of design?
Sorry for the long message. Thanks all for your opinions
I was wondering if you can help shed some light in my dilemma about Etabs as a lateral stability analysis tool.
Previously under my first company, I used to do a full etabs model and extract individual wall pier forces for design in a manual spreadsheet. This was all clear and is similar to how Etabs online tutorial have suggested.
At my new company, They have a design methodology that is radically different. They asked me to only draw lateral resisting shear wall (neglecting columns and other walls that may also long but are transferring and does not reach ground/ or precast wall that has minimal horizontal joint dowel connections - and thus assume not to be rigid enough to take lateral load in ultimate condition)+assign slab as membrane element with mesh option of rigid diaphragm so that it does not transfer any vertical load down the wall.
In effect, they want to extract lateral forces out of Etabs only and combine it with manual hand calc load rundown for design. Group of wall are grouped as single pier and designed as a box etc.
I was wondering if there's anything wrong in the second method?
Things that concern me about this approach is that
1. I found that despite no load transfer from slab (due to mesh option described earlier) I was still getting significant bending moment in the pier from self weight which doesn't seem right. I feel that the geometry of the slab that's connected to the wall are what causes the bending moment. But why would there be much if there's no load transfer between them?
2. can long load bearing concrete shear wall be designed not to take lateral forces? I feel that minimum connection to slab alone would cause the wall to take lateral load. perhaps it will fail and the load redistribute to other walls that are designed to take load? is that an acceptable way of design?
Sorry for the long message. Thanks all for your opinions