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CATIA-strophic Developments ? 1

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MrFEMcredible

MrFEMcredible

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Jan 15, 2005
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It’s like a nightmare …. isn’t it ?

I’m just coming back after a 6 year break, to needing to view Catia models.

Previously I used 3DVIA Composer, an already bloated version of the great original SEEMAGE programme, now THAT was an example of productivity at it’s best.

I now delve into the Catia world once more and discover that things have changed !

So, 3DVIA Composer becomes CATIA Composer …. .to what end ? … to what advantage ? … is it more bloated than before ? … .does it still fully support all file types ? … how fast is it ? … what are it’s known drawbacks/bugs ?

As for CATIA, the last time I had to use it V5 was king. V6 had just rolled out and was more or less vilified in the industry I was working at the time.

Now we have : CATIA 3D Experience !!! ??? What the hell is all that about ? Is it just a front-end name to get the whole of the glorious Cad world onboard the DS train?

CATIA 5 rolls on. But for how long ? It was never that user-friendly/productive imo.

But what happened to CATIA V6 ??? …. effectively abandoned in 2013 ???

I challenge anyone to find the official blurb about V6 by going onto , starting at homepage and finding it via the menus !!!
A page is there but supposedly just to satisfy the contractual obligations for the suckers … err sorry forwardthinkers who jumped immediately on the bandwagon at the time.

The DS marketing peeps, they’re very good with these useless phrases like …
“encourage innovation across the extended enterprise” …
“leverages the capacity of innovation for companies of all sizes”
… and the rest of that marketing tripe, but where are the nitty gritty facts, and more amazingly the utter lack of visibility of the connection (ìf any at all) between any of these products.
A picture paints a thousand words as they say, and I don’t see even the slightest preliminary sketch !

Can anyone answer any of the questions above ? … to help me decide whether to follow the yellow-brick-CATIAcomposer route or follow my intuition and use something else which moreover is highly likely to be more productive … and still around in 5 yrs time !
 
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... I can see where you're coming from iscariot (were you the bloke Bob Dylan was mistaken for in '64 btw ? :) ) !
Often software vendors are nothing but ... salesmen , without a care for what the user actually needs.
For example, I still bemoan the demise of MSc/XL when MSC bought out Patran.
Sledgehammers to crack nuts has never been more appropriate.
Too keen to jump on bandwagons and/or eliminate competition rather than produce an ideal product.
Back onto the CAD track, No one's ever really cracked the IGES translation/import either come to that.
whatever happened to it as the 'global language of CAD' ?
 
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Hi

CATIA 3DEXPERIENCE is CATIA V6 but with another interface...almost same API in programming like 2013x, just adapted to new requirements. The old interface, looking like V5, stopped at 2013x.

There are a lot of articles on LinkedIn about 3DEx or videos on YouTube, just search them and take a little time to understand where DS is going. Or ask a technical guy from a VAR in your country to give you more details in a demo...

What do you need in fact? V5 will continue for sure for several years but the direction is clear since big OEM's are going to 3DEx (some in process of adoption, some other in tests, ....).



Regards
Fernando

- Romania
- EU
 
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Is it possible to do automation in CATIA 3DEXPERIENCE as in Catia V5? if yes that I could live with it.

Each new version for any program should bring always more stability and more performance.
I feel that focus now is mainly on look and to move everything on the cloud.
New software looks good but function worst that old software.

At least in my field of activity, I don't see any progress on the contrary.
EHI in Catia V5 is inferior to E3D from Catia V4.
As user I miss the stability of Catia V4 and the lack of crashes.
Off course, Catia V5 in superior for other modules and off course I enjoy the automation part.

I heard it is desired for us to move also to 3Dex with next year but current test does not bring expected results at all. Looks good on video but in real world is a completely different story.


 
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I think the $1billion headline is a Dassault PR stunt.
A little closer look reveals that's over 30 yeras (in 10 year slices)which suddeny doesn't sound so dramatic !
Of course also they probably halff o half of that or more at the present time too, which dilutes the wow factor even more.
Still they're just trying to make a living, so long as the product does what it says on the package (it seems to be an all-singing-all-dancing pick 'n' mix affair which is likely to appeal and satisfy some while disappointng others .... and their financial depts. :)
 
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Going back to the actual enquiry and Ferdo's 'What do you bìneed exactly ?'

Thanks for the insights into CATIA (main) development.

As I mentioned at the beginning I'm not in the business of using CATIA in anger as a draftie.

I'm an analyst and as such as I said I need to VIEW Catia models and was looking for advice about CATIAcomposer (previously 3DVIAcomposer and before that Seemage), to reiterate my questions:-

"So, 3DVIA Composer becomes CATIA Composer …. .to what end ? … to what advantage ? … is it more bloated than before ? … .does it still fully support all file types ? … how fast is it ? … what are it’s known drawbacks/bugs ?"

I've viewed various viseos on the product but it's actual jaìhands-on user experience I prefer to hear as the ones selling the product are not goinf to advertise it's shortcomings are they !
 
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And what about Jaguar Land Rover? they had to move back to V5 in some departments, because they were delayed with 3d Experience. BMW have signed recently to use PTC Windchild plm, so it won't go to 3d Experience, maybe they will do the same that daimler did...

These are some of the examples of the difficulties that companies are facing. Dassault says that will support V5 from 2025 onward, but what will happen after?
I'm not able to convince my boss to by more CATIA seats, because of this, and also because of it's price. When I said him that we should by a few more seats of CATIA, he replied me, that most probably it will kill CATIA in our company. Dassault is working in a really complex direction.

Tiago Figueiredo
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