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Colorado to consider banning CPVC in fire sprinkler systems...

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tim3288

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Jan 30, 2014
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From; (CFPA) Colorado Fire Protection Association.


Title: Proposed ban on CPVC installation in Colorado

Dear members,

CPVC installations are becoming an embarrassment to the fire protection industry. CPVC is a labor saving system
that allows lightweight pipe to be cut to fit on projects where pre-fabricated steel pipe is not appropriate. The best
application for CPVC is in wood construction allowing installation modifications for actual site conditions. When CPVC
was introduced a list of incompatible materials was provided. As time passed the list grew and grew until it was no longer
provided. Sadly even if the contractor does everything correctly incompatible products will continue to come into contact
with the CPVC frustrating the owner and raising the cost of insurance.
Recently the manufacturers of CPVC determined they will no longer allow air to be utilized for pre-testing
systems. The decision to not allow air testing is just another example of the manufacturer placing the liability on others. If
we are to police our industry we need to make some changes. Projects that have fire protection engineers involved prior to
bid will typically not allow CPVC to provide the owner with a better product and less liability.
Contractors have been increasingly installing CPVC pipe in fire sprinkler applications over the last 30 years. With
each installation contractors have gained experience, bettered their installation practices and have simply become more
adept at working with CPVC. Over the last several years the systems that experienced contractors have installed are too
often having problems. Incompatible products were introduced to these systems beyond the contractor’s control creating
compatibility issues and system failures. In some scenarios entire systems have had to be replaced at significant cost while
the manufactures left the sprinkler contractors with the burden even though the contractor did everything right. Over the
years the tide is shifting and more liability is being transferred to the fire sprinkler contractor. Insurance carriers are
choosing not to insure fire sprinkler contractors because of CPVC losses, manufactures grow more distant in aiding with
these issues and fire protection contractors are in jeopardy.
NFPA codes provide the minimum requirements for the design and installation of automatic fire sprinkler systems.
Sadly the owner and General Contractors that allow CPVC installations are not aware of the litigations and liabilities that
have and will continue to come up.

In summary, if CPVC is not accepted by specifications or AHJ’s the quality of fire protection will be raised in Colorado.

CPVC CONCERNS:
 System integrity can no longer be verified with air pressure testing.
 Internal and external compatibility issues that is extremely difficult to prevent by the installation contractor.
 Insurance rates are higher for installation contractors with the majority of the losses due to CPVC.
 Some fire sprinkler contractor’s insurance companies will not allow them to install CPVC.
 Manufacturers provide a 4 hour class and yet the product is very difficult to install correctly.
 Fire protection contractors experienced with CPVC are extremely concerned about liabilities beyond their control.
 The smallest quantity of carbon based solutions in the water supply will become a problem.
 The glue must not expire and stay warm for storage, installation, and curing.
 Flexible wire and cables containing plasticizers.
 The spray foam process has caused CPVC failures even though the foam was supposed to compatible.
 Termiticides for insect control have been known to cause CPVC failures.
 
After reading that first post I am seriously wondering about ever using CPVC again myself - a product I have spoken highly of in the past.

D

Regards
D

A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be
Thomas Paine
 
As a AHJ I've been monitoring this item closely. I wish some case studies were presented. From what I see, this could be a trial attorney trying to develop solicitations for the purpose of litigation. "tim3288" has only one posting. That carries some level of concern in my world. None of us have an idea of his/her acumen, experience with CPVC pipe and fittings.

Alternatively, I do see their state trade association is specifically discussing this issue at it's next meeting (you'll need to scroll down and read the fine print):

 
It is a crazy idea to use plastic material for fire protection. Common sense should have prevailed.
 
Are there issues with fire stop materials?
 
Carlosgw:

With CPVC piping. Answer: Yes. Chemical compatibility is a major issue with CPVC pipe and fittings.
 
I have been installing CPVC for over 19 years and have never and I repeat never seen a system (that I installed) fail. There are products such as spray foam and fire calking that can compromise the pipe and or fittings. This however is not a problem with CPVC, but more an issue with contractors who don't follow the rules and or directions. I advise all my clients/homeowners/contractors to check the listings of anything they plan to let contact the system (easy) and have NEVER had a problem. What I have had a problem with (and a lot!) is MIC (micro-biologically induced corrosion). I can't even begin to tell you how much copper and steal piping(CPVC does not seem to be affected) I have replaced due to MIC. I have several clients who I see on a regular basis because of MIC. One in particular that is now considering rebuilding an entire apartment complex because of all the water damage to the units over the years. This is a copper system that was installed in the early nineties. My point is simply this. Let's not throw out a good product due to poor management when the old tried and true has issues of it's own,and in my opinion far more reaching ones.
 
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