A8yssUK
Industrial
- Apr 7, 2014
- 52
Hello everybody,
I work with the ESA (European Sealing Association) and as part of my work with them I also liaise with the FSA (Fluid Sealing Association of America).
The ESA/FSA are jointly working on a new test standard for spiral wound flange gaskets. (SWG)
I have a problem perhaps you guys can help with,
Basically we have a bolted flange system, correctly installed, pressurized and heat cycled and we measure the "leakage" from the system with a sniffer device (either methane or helium), at multiple stages. The system is encased so that any leak should be taken into the sniffer device, but isn't fully vacuumed out so that a flow rate past the outer seal face is mantained.
The measured output is in ppmv or parts per million by volume. This is a normal "leakage" measurement in the industry on plants..
Now I am European and I work in a lab So I use normalised mass transport values for leakage rates, normally mg/s/m (miligrams per second per meter of seal length) as used in EN1591 / EN13555
I want to devise a method to convert between the two measurements, however this is seemingly quite difficult even when you make some quite large assumptions.
For the lab test device if i assume all the leakage from the device is sampled through the sniffer and not lost, i should be able to convert to a mass rate right..??
ppmv > mg/m^3 is easy ( so i know how many mg I have for the reading by then need a sampling rate of the sniffer to change it to a rate.
The sniffer device is rated for EPA method 21 useage, and section 6.4 of the EPA method 21 states the sniffer should sample between 0.1 and 30 L/min.. a 30x spread!
therefore,
mass rate (mg/s) = concentration (mg/m^3) * sample rate (m^3/s)
So for a gasket with a "length" (or inner circumference) of 1m if it is giving a reading of 1 ppmv Helium then the leakage rate is between 2.7e-7 and 8.32e-6 mg/m/s
In Europe The EN1591 states/will state that a minimum tight seal has a leakage rate of 0.01 mg/m/s. Now inverting the equation, a 0.01 mg/s leakrate measured by an EPA method 21 capable sniffer would give a value between 1202.0 and 36061 ppmv which is a massive spread!!
Redoing but with methane (16.032u) as the test gas, 0.01 mg/m/s I get between 300 and 8996 ppmv
OK, firstly is there anything wrong with my math/assumptions ?
Now I don't have a lot of experience with sniffer devices, but can they not be controlled to give a tighter range of sample rate ??
Anybody else know of any other standards that may contains sampling rates that sniffer devices conform too ?
Thank you
Edit : I've also now located ISO 15848-1 Annex B section 5.1.1.1 d) which states a flow rate of 0.5 - 1.5 L/min which makes the spread not so bad..
I work with the ESA (European Sealing Association) and as part of my work with them I also liaise with the FSA (Fluid Sealing Association of America).
The ESA/FSA are jointly working on a new test standard for spiral wound flange gaskets. (SWG)
I have a problem perhaps you guys can help with,
Basically we have a bolted flange system, correctly installed, pressurized and heat cycled and we measure the "leakage" from the system with a sniffer device (either methane or helium), at multiple stages. The system is encased so that any leak should be taken into the sniffer device, but isn't fully vacuumed out so that a flow rate past the outer seal face is mantained.
The measured output is in ppmv or parts per million by volume. This is a normal "leakage" measurement in the industry on plants..
Now I am European and I work in a lab So I use normalised mass transport values for leakage rates, normally mg/s/m (miligrams per second per meter of seal length) as used in EN1591 / EN13555
I want to devise a method to convert between the two measurements, however this is seemingly quite difficult even when you make some quite large assumptions.
For the lab test device if i assume all the leakage from the device is sampled through the sniffer and not lost, i should be able to convert to a mass rate right..??
ppmv > mg/m^3 is easy ( so i know how many mg I have for the reading by then need a sampling rate of the sniffer to change it to a rate.
The sniffer device is rated for EPA method 21 useage, and section 6.4 of the EPA method 21 states the sniffer should sample between 0.1 and 30 L/min.. a 30x spread!
therefore,
mass rate (mg/s) = concentration (mg/m^3) * sample rate (m^3/s)
So for a gasket with a "length" (or inner circumference) of 1m if it is giving a reading of 1 ppmv Helium then the leakage rate is between 2.7e-7 and 8.32e-6 mg/m/s
In Europe The EN1591 states/will state that a minimum tight seal has a leakage rate of 0.01 mg/m/s. Now inverting the equation, a 0.01 mg/s leakrate measured by an EPA method 21 capable sniffer would give a value between 1202.0 and 36061 ppmv which is a massive spread!!
Redoing but with methane (16.032u) as the test gas, 0.01 mg/m/s I get between 300 and 8996 ppmv
OK, firstly is there anything wrong with my math/assumptions ?
Now I don't have a lot of experience with sniffer devices, but can they not be controlled to give a tighter range of sample rate ??
Anybody else know of any other standards that may contains sampling rates that sniffer devices conform too ?
Thank you
Edit : I've also now located ISO 15848-1 Annex B section 5.1.1.1 d) which states a flow rate of 0.5 - 1.5 L/min which makes the spread not so bad..