Delete Locked Parameters 2

[cook5]

Hi all-

I need to remove some parameters form a customer Pro/Engineer wildfire part that I recieved. However, the parameters show "Locked" under the Access column in Tools->Parameters... dialog box. This is not allowing me to delete (or change) these parameters. My guess is they are not meant to be removed (or changed), however, these parameters are causing problems with our data management system and need to be removed.

Does anybody know of a work around for this problem?

Thanks.

-Adam J. Cook

 

[JohnAndrews]

If it is a user defined parameter, it might be locked because its value is set in a relation. Try editing relations to check this.

 

[looslib]

With the new parameters UI, you cannot remove locked parameters.
There is a way to remove them that involves the old parameter UI and maybe some other config.pro setting.
I just tried the old UI with a part while disconnected from PDMLink and I could not delete the locked parameters. I have done this, but it was an earlier build of WF2.



"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."

Ben Loosli
Sr IS Technologist
L-3 Communications

 

[3dlogix]

From PTC:

Locked—Locked access means that the parameters were created by an "external application" (Data Management System, Analysis Features, Relations, Pro/PROGRAM or Family Tables). Locked parameters can only be modified from within the external application.



Steve

http://www.sprdesign.com

http://www.3dlogix.com

 

[looslib]

Right,"They can only be modified from within the external application", but they can be deleted under the right conditions.


"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."

Ben Loosli
Sr IS Technologist
L-3 Communications

 

[cook5]

Hi all-

Thanks. I kinda thought it was not possible either. I have another question though. Does anybody know how to prevent Windchill from adding these parameters upon download of the part? I realize this is a Pro/Engineer forum but I'd thought I'd ask it here anyways since it may be helpful.

Thanks.

-Adam J. Cook

 

[Guest0527211403]

To figure out where these parameters are set, make sure you can see the "Source" column in the parameter editor (wf2+).

This will tell you where the parameter comes from, and may help you sniff out where you need to go to delete it.

 

[cook5]

Hey justkeepgiviner,

The sources listed are all "Windchill" parameters. However, I cannot return to this application since it is not at our site.

On a side note, I guess it was possible to remove parameters (locked or unlocked) by backing up the part(s), assy(s),...etc. (via File->Backup...) but only in PRE-WILDIFRE versions.

Anybody got any ideas for Wildfire versions (1.0+)?

Thanks.

-Adam J. Cook

 

[JohnAndrews]

Adam,

There is a way, but it's a bit painful......
Open the part, and create a User Defined Feature of every feature after the default datum planes & CSYS.
Now create a new part and insert the UDF, referencing the same default datum planes.
The model is exactly the same, and no Windchill parameters.

This technique can be quite useful for other applications, i.e. how can I convert a model created in Student Version to Commercial Version.....
but if PTC find out, they'll find a way of blocking it........!!!

 

[cook5]

Hey JohnAndrews-

Thanks. It is sort of messy, but its the best suggestion I have heard as of yet.

Anybody got an easier way though?

I appreciate it JohnAndrews.

Thanks.

-Adam J. Cook

 

[3dlogix]

If you make a new part, but use the part in question as a template, can you not remove the "offending" parameters at thi spoint?

Steve

http://www.sprdesign.com

http://www.3dlogix.com

 

[JohnAndrews]

Steve - the template idea sounds good, but unfortunately doesn't work. All the Windchill and other parameters are passed over to the new part, and cannot be deleted.

John

 

[JohnAndrews]

Another option is to use an inheritance feature - Insert - Shared Data - Inheritance from Other Model

 

[Hora]

Adam,

Can you share with us one of these famous parts?

-Hora

 

[cook5]

Hey Hora,

Yeah I can share one of the parts. I will use my old shcool account to host this link. Get this part at the following address.

http://tools.ecn.purdue.edu/~cook5/pub/test_prt.zip

Thanks for your interest in resolving this issue.

-Adam J. Cook

 

[Guest0527211403]

"...but if PTC find out, they'll find a way of blocking it........!!!"

Yeah... They fixed this in Wildfire...

 

[cook5]

Hey JohnAndrews-

Thanks. This is yet another (easier) way to remove these parameters. I appreciate it.

Thanks.

-Adam J. Cook

 

[Hora]

Adam, I see your parts are made in Wildfire and I cannot open here. Still on 2001. But I remember one thing from the past. If you deal with components taken from Intralink or Windchild database, you will get some system parameters like PDMREV, PDMREL and so on, which cannot be deleted even if you alter the header of the file. The only way to reset them is just a simple back-up. Are you dealing with these parameters? Did you try to make a back-up of the parts?

-Hora

 

[cook5]

Hey Hora,

Yeah I remember backing up the parts in 2001i to get rid of the locked parameters. However, in the Wildfire releases, it appears to be no longer possible to get rid of the locked parameters by backing up the parts. Thanks for the reply though.

-Adam J. Cook

 

[Hora]

Adam,

Thanks for info. I will try to find a Wildfire license I will take a look at those parameters. Can you tell me if the paramets you have touble are system paramaters? Sorry for the repetetive "parameters"

-Hora