DHL 737-400 crash

[Alistair_Heaton]

Chilling cockpit audio from doomed Boeing 737 DHL plane is revealed https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14126733/chilling-cockpit-audio-boeing-737-revealed.html

Quite strange

Wondering if was an issue with the rudder.

Quite amazing that people survived.

 

[TugboatEng]

I don't understand what is chilling about the cockpit audio. It's chilling after the crash but fairly normal before.

Would rudder issues cause the plane to be fast and below glide slop? This forum's favorite expert is speculating crew fatigue.

The data we have shows high airspeeds initially and fast descents. Weather condition were wet and near freezing. Could a clogged pitot tube lead pilots to believe their airspeed was low so they maintained a high speed early and ended up stalling near landing?

It's a -400 series airplane so the avionics are possibly less sophisticated.

 

[LittleInch]

This video is a bit more information and seems to show a sudden nose dive into the ground. https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/boeing-dhl-plane-crash-germany-video-b2653711.html

The audio I heard seemed a bit confusing as to whether they were using an ILS approach or not.

It didn't look like a stall to me.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

It's a very rapid roll rate and nose pitch down hence my thoughts about rudder being a factor.

If you went around from 300ft the engines wouldn't have spooled up to max by the time you crossed the threshold.

 

[LittleInch]

This video the construction site one( the plane is in the top right corner) and the 3D photo below it seem to indicate it was all rather sudden, if he was a bit low on the glide slope.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1860962916536619452

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861036373869842854

Loss of engine / engine failure maybe?

Hope it wasn't the faulty radar altimeter thing which thought the plan was landing?

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Your relatively low power at that stage of the approach and your configured.

It's not very exciting in the SIM. We usually get engine failure during low visibility training at similar height.

 

[TugboatEng]

It sounds like at least one leading edge slat actuator have been found in the retracted position. If I recall correctly, there has been a second incidence of leading edge slat issues recently.

 

[LittleInch]

Ooh, that's not good. Very difficult to counter that at low altitude.

 

[XR250]

It sounds like at least one leading edge slat actuator have been found in the retracted position. If I recall correctly, there has been a second incidence of leading edge slat issues recently.

Yea, it looked like the chrome was worn off the shaft of the actuator.