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equivalent torsional stiffness

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Cheetos

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Jul 27, 2007
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My original problem is to find the torsional frequency for a rotor cage. I first looked into the torsional frequency for 2 discs (J1, J2) and 1 massless rod in between (standard textbook problem). Using torsional stiffness equation, kT = G*J/L, I was able to find my torsional frequency of the system. For a single rod (with diameter = Do) on top of the rotational axis, J orig = (pi*Do^4/32). I then tried to find an equivalent system with multiple rods (that is made up of multiple N parallel rods (with diameter = Dn) located at R away from center of rotation). I used parallel axis theorem. (pi*Dn^4/32+ R^2*(area))*N = J total. Since rods are parallel, the total k should be the sum of each k.

For an equivalent system, J orig should = J total, I was able to find Dn. The problem is when I tried to verify it using FEA, my natural frequency is way off.

Did I make wrong assumptions somewhere in there?

Given for standard text book calc: J1 = 5.66 kg-m2, J2 = 22.6 kg-m2, G = 7.69e10 kg/m2, L = 0.6m, Do = 0.1m

Standard text book calc: J orig = 9.817e-6 m^4, kT = 1.26e6 Nm/rad and freq ~ 84 Hz
FEA text book calc: freq ~ 82 Hz
For equivalent system, my calc for 4 rods with Dn = 0.0176m, R = 0.1m, same J and kT, freq ~ 84 Hz
FEA for 4 rods: freq ~ 6.2 Hz
 
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I have uploaded the video files for both cases.


The BC's for textbook case (case 1) is cylindrical support (axial and radial: fixed. tangential: free) on outer surfaces of both discs and the rod.
The BC's for multirod case (case 2) is cylindrical support (axial and radial: fixed. tangential: free) on outer surfaces of both discs.

The rods are rigidly bonded to the discs. I also tried free-free condition with no BC's. The result is the same.

I've been scratching my head over this for many days wondering what did I miss?


 
Tmoose, I agree with you on the bending part, so since it's more of a bending-torsion problem, is there a formula for combined stiffness?
 
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