haze10
Electrical
- Jan 13, 2006
- 81
Showing my age, but, years ago motor manufacturers would make Class 1 EX motors, and Class 1 and 2 EX motors. Motors that were exclusively Class 1 often didn't have internal thermostats and would have a T code of T2B (or T2C). Today, most manufacturers are limiting inventory and only selling dual rated Class 1 and 2 EX motors, often at a Temp code of T3C, but with internal thermostats. A few motors are listing multiple T codes depending on ambient temperature and whether or not the thermostats are connected. This is from a Hyundai website on their EX motors.
Unique multiple rating system for 40° and 55°C ambient
143T-215T: T2C at 40°C, T2B at 55°C, T4 when thermostat is connected
254T-286T: T2D at 40°C, T2C at 55°C, T4 when thermostat is connected
324T-444T: T3 at 40°C, T2D at 55°C, T4 when thermostat is connected
With the dual rated motors you are only getting one Temp code on the nameplate, usually T3C is common. If the motor is going in a Class 1 area, and replacing a Class 1 only rated motor, there is the likely possibility that the original motor had no thermostats (or "P" leads) connected back to the motor starter, or even the local stop button. Since there is only one T code on the label, and since you don't know what the T code would be without the thermostats, and you are obligated to not exceed the T code assigned to the area - then in order to maintain the nameplate T code you have to wire in the thermostat leads. Hopefully there is a stop button nearby.
So, my inquiry is this:
Are you finding it harder to find Class 1 only motors without thermostats?
On the dual rated Class 1 and 2 motors, is the manufacturing giving you an alternate T code without thermostats.
If you have a motor with only one T code and it came with thermostats, assume they have to be connected to keep the nameplate rating?
For C1 Div 2 areas, I came across this from ECM magazine:
"Though TEFC motors typically don’t have a T-Code stamped on the nameplate with the maximum surface temperature, internal and external temperatures of the motor must be considered. IEEE Std. 841, IEEE Standard for Petroleum and Chemical Industry — Premium-Efficiency, Severe-Duty, Totally Enclosed Fan-Cooled (TEFC) Squirrel Cage Induction Motors — Up to and Including 370kW (500 HP), Section 5.4.2, states: “Temperature Rise ― When operated at rated voltage, frequency, and power, the average temperature rise of any phase of the stator winding shall not exceed 80°C as determined by the winding resistance method. Maximum exposed internal and external surface temperatures shall not exceed 200°C under typical service conditions at 1.0 service factor (SF).”"
Couple problems I see here are: most motors are coming through with 1.15 service factors. I assume that if you pick the Overload based on 1.0 SF then you can use the IEEE value of 200C. That gets you a T3 temp code. If you need something more strict, you can order the motor with internal thermostats.
Looking for some comments from those that know motors. Any and all comments appreciated.
Unique multiple rating system for 40° and 55°C ambient
143T-215T: T2C at 40°C, T2B at 55°C, T4 when thermostat is connected
254T-286T: T2D at 40°C, T2C at 55°C, T4 when thermostat is connected
324T-444T: T3 at 40°C, T2D at 55°C, T4 when thermostat is connected
With the dual rated motors you are only getting one Temp code on the nameplate, usually T3C is common. If the motor is going in a Class 1 area, and replacing a Class 1 only rated motor, there is the likely possibility that the original motor had no thermostats (or "P" leads) connected back to the motor starter, or even the local stop button. Since there is only one T code on the label, and since you don't know what the T code would be without the thermostats, and you are obligated to not exceed the T code assigned to the area - then in order to maintain the nameplate T code you have to wire in the thermostat leads. Hopefully there is a stop button nearby.
So, my inquiry is this:
Are you finding it harder to find Class 1 only motors without thermostats?
On the dual rated Class 1 and 2 motors, is the manufacturing giving you an alternate T code without thermostats.
If you have a motor with only one T code and it came with thermostats, assume they have to be connected to keep the nameplate rating?
For C1 Div 2 areas, I came across this from ECM magazine:
"Though TEFC motors typically don’t have a T-Code stamped on the nameplate with the maximum surface temperature, internal and external temperatures of the motor must be considered. IEEE Std. 841, IEEE Standard for Petroleum and Chemical Industry — Premium-Efficiency, Severe-Duty, Totally Enclosed Fan-Cooled (TEFC) Squirrel Cage Induction Motors — Up to and Including 370kW (500 HP), Section 5.4.2, states: “Temperature Rise ― When operated at rated voltage, frequency, and power, the average temperature rise of any phase of the stator winding shall not exceed 80°C as determined by the winding resistance method. Maximum exposed internal and external surface temperatures shall not exceed 200°C under typical service conditions at 1.0 service factor (SF).”"
Couple problems I see here are: most motors are coming through with 1.15 service factors. I assume that if you pick the Overload based on 1.0 SF then you can use the IEEE value of 200C. That gets you a T3 temp code. If you need something more strict, you can order the motor with internal thermostats.
Looking for some comments from those that know motors. Any and all comments appreciated.