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External PTA SCC of stainless steel tubes in low sulfur fuel gas

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kevlar49

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Jun 1, 2006
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What is everyone's opinion of the probability of external PTA SCC of sensitized furnace tubes due to low sulfur (<10ppmw) fuel gas? Do you take precautions like keep the fire box temperature up or soda ash the outside?

I read in refincor 93F5.7-16: HYDRODESULFURIZATION UNIT
Norm Mack (Amoco) was certain that this was polythionic acid stress corrosion cracking. He reported on a case at CORROSION/93 of a unit with 347 SS tubes in service for 25 years. Tubes that had been replaced eight or nine years previously first showed cracking, but they also found crack initiation on the inside of the older tubes that had not propagated through the wall. In one case cracking occurred from the outside. The furnace primarily used gas firing. One section of the furnace ran fuel-rich, the other oxygen-rich. The fuel-rich box had sulfur containing deposits. They experienced cracking in both 347 and 321 SS. In the 321, the entire tube was sensitized and cracking was not confined only to welds; it also occurred in the tube material. In the 347, cracking was only found in the weld heat-affected zones. They have been using thermally stabilized 321 and 347 since 1986 or 1987 and, when the welds are also stabilized, they have performed well without failures. A paper was presented by Amoco at CORROSION/93 which addressed the effects of stabilizing heat treatments. The paper is "Effects of Welding and Thermal Stabilization on the Sensitization and Polythionic Acid Stress Corrosion Cracking of Heat and Corrosion Resistant Alloys," by D. V. Beggs and R. W. Howe, CORROSION/93, paper 541
 
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I'm not so sure that you can compare "thermally stabilized" 347 with what is actually in your boiler. Many tube manufacturers will heat treat 347 following welding by austenitizing to re-dissolve the chrome carbides.

Solution annealing to thermally stabilize the columbium carbides (niobium carbides for the other side of "The Pond") buys you some delay in the onset of sensitization but does not make it immune.

That being said: The company I work for has experienced ID initiated IG-SCC in 347 boiler tubes (superheat division panel tubes - the primary SH that hangs over the fireball). We attributed it to chemistry carry-over during operation and moisture during start-ups (there was some question as to whether we were truly sending steam or supercritical fluid from the ww to this first stage SH) which, I suppose, could produce a polythionic acid environment.

The outside initiated cracking could also be PTA but could be a heavily sensitized stainless steel that has grain boundaries that are susceptible to coal ash or oil ash corrosion while the grain bodies are not. There's an EPRI conference paper on the subject from the 1991 Boiler Tube Failure Conference.

 
Sorry for any misunderstanding. The application is for a treat gas furnace. PTA SCC has been found initiating from the outside of a furnace tubes, but it has been debated whether low sulfur (<10ppmw) fuel gas can cause it. There have been failures reported in these "low sulfur" fuel gas environments. Trying primarily to survey experience on what circumstances can cause PTA SCC cracking even in low sulfur fuel gas environments.

Also, I believe type 347 or 321 will still sensitize if exposed to operating conditions above 850F unless thermally stabilized at 1650F to react the niobium or titanium with carbon.

Thanks for the advice.
 
Even properly thermally stabalized material will sensitize. It is not as severe and it takes much longer, but it happens.

The cracking of sensitized 3xx series stainless probably requires a few atoms of S. I have had trouble running lab tests because of our inability to control S at 1ppm levels.

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Thanks Edstainless,

Where can I find the data to justify treating the fuel gas side as a hazard? Is there any published report showing what the H2S ppm was when cracking occurred?

I didn't realize that even stabilized 300-series could sensitize. Are there TTT curves that show under time and temperature this can occur?

 
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