F.E.E.D

[tim1984]

Hi,

I am a pressure vessel design with 2 years of previous experience in pressure vessel design.

I have got an opportunity to produce F.E.E.D and conceptual design. The company takes on oil and gas project and I have to produce F.E.E.D for pressure vessel used in oil and gas industry. It is a graduate role and company will support bit of training.

Being completely new on F.E.E.D, I need advice as to jump on F.E.E.D or to stick as a design engineer ?
How different is F.E.E.D from design engineering ?

Please help, you advice is greatly appreciated.

Regards
Tim

 

[786392]

F.E.E.D I believe stands for Front End Engineering Design.
definitely a very imptarnt and critical exercise in process engneering.

Can't comment further as not clear on your complete background, process engineering design expertise etc.

Best Regards
Qalander(Chem)

 

[pennpiper]

Yes "F.E.E.D" stands for "Front End Engineering Design."
What you need to determine is what is the objective of "this" F.E.E.D. project.
Is it to prepare for a plus or minus (+/-) 25% Estimate for a project so your own company can get Client approval to proceed.
Or is it to prepare a "For Proposal" package for others to bid on.
Both are done.

 

[tim1984]

Thanks guys on replying.

Yes the role is Front End Enginnerng Design.

I am a design engineer working on pressure vessels but have no knowledge on oil and gas processing.

As a design engineer, I get the outline and interface drawing from the client showing nozzle, head placement and work out the thickness of shell, nozzle and head from there.

How different is it from F.E.E.D and with my background be sufficient enough to be trained as F.E.E.D or not ?

And is there any site where I can see examples of F.E.E.D with regards to pressure vessel.

Thanks on your time

Regards
Tim

 

[JohnGP]

Whether your background is sufficient depends on what your expected role is during FEED. If you just need to provide preliminary designs for vessels specified by other members of the team (Process Engineers? Client?), then it's not that much different to what you have been doing.

For FEED though you don't have to nail down the finer details as the aim is generally to determine preliminary equipment sizes, weights, layout configurations, and costs, that hopefully will provide a starting point for later preparing detailed designs.

 

[tim1984]

Thanks JohnGP,

If the role is similar to as you mentioned, would you or other members have any idea as if pressure vessel engineer prducing F.E.E.D will be involved in process part of the design or will it be more or less process engineer ?

i.e. deciding msterial to use or baffle plates to be used (for oil and gas seperators)

Regards
Tim

 

[JohnGP]

Involvement in this type of thing can vary, and depends on your experience, who is available, and the size of the team. In my experience it pays to be flexible - if you want to be called a pressure vessel engineer, then that may be all you are required to do. Projects I have been on it has been the process engineers who have specified materials, sometimes in conjunction with materials specialists. With will and suitable experience you could do this for preliminary work though.

Baffle plates and other internals have become the domain of specialist internals suppliers (especially for offshore floating units), but for FEED, process engineers may come up with preliminary requirements. You should try to gain some knowledge from specialists in these areas, to the extent that you can provide useful input to later FEED projects.

 

[vesselguy]

tim1984,

Why don't you ask your employer for their expectation of what they want you to do? Also, sounds like you're new so they should have a Senior Eng to be guiding and supervising you to teach you what to do.

Having said the above, a vessel engineer typically have no input on the process development. A FEED stage is about the same as the FEL-2 phase where basic sizes and equipment type is defined but not necessary selected. For a vessel engineer, you just calculated the basic thickness of the vessel and do an in-house cost estimate to support the project cost estimating. If you don't have the cost estimating support then ask one or two vendor to submit a +/25% budget cost estimate. You have to specify weight of the equipment so civil/structural can rough size the foundation for material take-off for cost estimate. You may also be required to write a very basic design requirements for vessels and include it in the project's Design Basis document.

It's easy.