gaining chartership 1

[oneintheeye]

this will be more for UK based engineers here but probably relevant to USA. I am considering going for my chartership to Institute of civil engineers. I am confident ish that I can pass the review with some work. I am wondering what kind of salary jump could I expect for attaining this? % pay rise, more responsibitly hopefully.

 

[csd72]

Just curious, why are you going for ICE rather than IStructE?

Anyway, you wont necessarily get immediate recognition for your chartership. One of my friends had their Boss respond:
"So what can you do today that you could not do yesterday?"

The results are more subtle/long term.

You will get:

Recognition
Registration of the Engineersing practitioners list (or whatever it is called in the UK)
More responsibility (which is a better justification for a better salary).

Also next job you go for, this will be another feather in your cap that will make you more attractive to employers.

Also of note is that some companies in the UK require their jobs to be overseen by a chartered engineer.

 

[Ussuri]

The pass rate for the civils is around 70%, the pass rate for the structurals is around 30%.

The structural is an actual exam. You have 7 hours to design a building from scratch. You need to design separate structurally different schemes including supporting calculations for all members, then take one design further following a design change (such as removing columns or adding an extra floor that sort of stuff). Then you must draw and detail it by hand to a standard that is a construction issue. Draft a specification to accompany it and report to the client.

By contrast the civils is report and interview based, with a written exam/essay in the afternoon.

The civils is perceived as an easier route. I think the problem with the structurals is its a bit hit and miss. If there are no questions which line up with your experience it can be difficult to pass.

 

[Teguci]

"Anyway, you wont necessarily get immediate recognition for your chartership. One of my friends had their Boss respond:
"So what can you do today that you could not do yesterday?""

Possible answers:
I can get a better job somewhere else.
I can do your job so that you can surf the web more.
I can represent a person with more authority to our clients.
Help improve the coorporate resume.
Work for myself.
etc...

Going to PE I received a 10% raise. Don't know what the UK is like though.

 

[KENAT]

Teguci, in the UK CEng isn't quite the Same as PE.

For the most part I don't believe there's the issue that you can't be an engineer without it or that you need it to stamp drawings etc. at least not to the same level as in the US. (at least in the industry I have experience of)

So it's arguably not worth as much as PE is in that states.

That said in the UK you can get CEng in almost any specialization, I was on route to get chartered in Aerospace, where as here in the US you only seem to be able to get PE in sectors that require it (or at least have overlap with sectors that do).

herewegothen - it may be that the most you can get is for your employer to pay your membership fees, unless you're willing to move.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

 

[oneintheeye]

i would think i would move up at least a grade maybe two at a push. think im certainly capacble to by what ive seen of others. Looks like i'll end up leaving to get anything substantial then which i was hoping i wouldn't need to. Have to wait and see what happens. Keep you posted, it'll be next year anyway.

reason for ICE is I completed an ice traning agreement with previous employer and have everything signed off. Think IsructE is more specialised to building structures and as Im not involved in that daily at least. Think to be confident of passing exam you would need to be working on the kind of projects they examine you on regularly. Though its all transferable with the low pass mark they obviously are very strict. will maybe try in a few years (the next challenge if i get ICE).

 

[rtmote]

I got my training agreement mostly signed off but the effort to complete it was impossible as I kept moving in location and it seems the ICE kept moving the goalposts too. I let it lapsed but have found it makes zero difference to my salary. I was never asked for it or required to have it.

Go for it, to finish it now would be better than later, it gets too hard to follow through. Just don't have big expectations.

I would like to complete it but I am on the move again! I Will try next year, again.

Robert Mote

http://www.motagg.com

 

[waterexpert]

The IChemE do salary survey every year, which makes clear the difference in earnings of Chartered and non-Chartered Engineers. I seem to remember it includes other disciplines as well as Chemicals.

Of course all we Chemical Engineers have to do to get chartered is not die for five years after graduating, as all Civil Engineers know...LOL.

Seán

http://www.seanmoran.co.uk/

 

[Ussuri]

The Institution of Civil Engineers has just released its 2007 salary survey results as well. You can view it on the ICE website.

By age:

<25 £23,083
24-29 £27,392
30-34 £34,265
35-39 £41,372
40-44 £45,220
45-49 £53,558
50-54 £55,199
55-59 £53,475
60-65 £50,130

By grade:

New Grads £25,406
Grads £32,768
TMICE £34,497
AMICE £40,962
MICE £50,715
FICE £71,380