ChemIncognito
Chemical
- Jun 4, 2006
- 2
OK, this has been driving me crazy. It's basically straight out of heat transfer, but for some reason I can't get it. I don't care about the numbers here, I want to know if I'm making a mistake in my logic/setup
Description:
A hollow cylinder with inner radius r1, outer radius r2, and length L. No radiation present
I have gas flowing through it with a known temperature, T_hot, and a known convection coefficient, H_hot
I have gas circulating externally with T_cold, H_cold.
The cylinder has a thermal conductivity of k_cyl. Thus, my heat flowing through the cylinder, q, is
(T_hot - Tcold) / ( (1/(H_hot*2*pi*r1*L)) + (log(r2/r1) / (2*pi*k_cyl*L)) + (1/(H_cold*2*pi*r2*L))
I can find my surface temperatures, T_inner, and T_outer with:
T_inner = T_hot - q*(1/(H_hot*2*pi*r1*L))
T_outer = T_cold + q*(1/(H_cold*2*pi*r2*L))
Here's my frustration:
I can check that my surface temperatures are right by calculating the heat loss or gain at either surface (H*A*dT) and comparing that to the q from above. Shouldn't I also be able to calculate the rate of heat loss by using the temperature at r1 (T_inner) and T_cold? That is, does q also equal:
(T_inner-T_cold)/((1/(H_cold*2*pi*r_outer*l))+(log(r2/r1)/2*pi*k_cyl*L))
The rate of heat I get from the above equation is less than that calculated from the value obtained for q, and the double-checked values for convection into and out of the system.
If you need a diagram (or equations in graphical form), I'm happy to help. This has been driving me crazy because I have a system where I have a specified internal surface temperature, the rate of heat gained by internal convection, and I want to make sure that the two balance (heat in by convection = heat lost through cylinder wall and external convection).
FYI, this is a steady state problem...The cylinder wall is not accumulating energy.
Thanks for your help, chaps.
Description:
A hollow cylinder with inner radius r1, outer radius r2, and length L. No radiation present
I have gas flowing through it with a known temperature, T_hot, and a known convection coefficient, H_hot
I have gas circulating externally with T_cold, H_cold.
The cylinder has a thermal conductivity of k_cyl. Thus, my heat flowing through the cylinder, q, is
(T_hot - Tcold) / ( (1/(H_hot*2*pi*r1*L)) + (log(r2/r1) / (2*pi*k_cyl*L)) + (1/(H_cold*2*pi*r2*L))
I can find my surface temperatures, T_inner, and T_outer with:
T_inner = T_hot - q*(1/(H_hot*2*pi*r1*L))
T_outer = T_cold + q*(1/(H_cold*2*pi*r2*L))
Here's my frustration:
I can check that my surface temperatures are right by calculating the heat loss or gain at either surface (H*A*dT) and comparing that to the q from above. Shouldn't I also be able to calculate the rate of heat loss by using the temperature at r1 (T_inner) and T_cold? That is, does q also equal:
(T_inner-T_cold)/((1/(H_cold*2*pi*r_outer*l))+(log(r2/r1)/2*pi*k_cyl*L))
The rate of heat I get from the above equation is less than that calculated from the value obtained for q, and the double-checked values for convection into and out of the system.
If you need a diagram (or equations in graphical form), I'm happy to help. This has been driving me crazy because I have a system where I have a specified internal surface temperature, the rate of heat gained by internal convection, and I want to make sure that the two balance (heat in by convection = heat lost through cylinder wall and external convection).
FYI, this is a steady state problem...The cylinder wall is not accumulating energy.
Thanks for your help, chaps.