tgavin
Civil/Environmental
- Apr 7, 2004
- 1
Several Engineers and I have been having a discussion/dispute about the correct way to account for entrance/friction loss in pipes/channels for WWTF design.
The question boils down to the following...
When transitioning from a concrete channel to a pipe (gravity- meaning by this definition that the pipe entrance is not flooded) what method is best used to determine headloss?
Here are our thoughts...
Culvert Calculation for headwater- The program I use assigns a inlet loss coefficient of 0.5 for a concrete headwall (similar to channel to pipe). This seems to be overly conservative from a common sense standpoint.
Assume full pipe flow- use full pipe flow and hazen williams formula to calculate head loss through the pipe at a certain flow. This will return a lower headwater or less loss than the above option across the board.
I think that neither are right and the answer lies somewhere between. The culvert calculator has an inlet loss based on flow coming into a pipe from 180 degrees. When water is entering the pipe from a channel, the water is already "organized" and should enter the pipe much easier.
If you agree, do you have an equation that takes into account the difference in size and shape to use with the culvert calculator? If you don't, what do you think?
Thanks in advance for any responses...
TG
The question boils down to the following...
When transitioning from a concrete channel to a pipe (gravity- meaning by this definition that the pipe entrance is not flooded) what method is best used to determine headloss?
Here are our thoughts...
Culvert Calculation for headwater- The program I use assigns a inlet loss coefficient of 0.5 for a concrete headwall (similar to channel to pipe). This seems to be overly conservative from a common sense standpoint.
Assume full pipe flow- use full pipe flow and hazen williams formula to calculate head loss through the pipe at a certain flow. This will return a lower headwater or less loss than the above option across the board.
I think that neither are right and the answer lies somewhere between. The culvert calculator has an inlet loss based on flow coming into a pipe from 180 degrees. When water is entering the pipe from a channel, the water is already "organized" and should enter the pipe much easier.
If you agree, do you have an equation that takes into account the difference in size and shape to use with the culvert calculator? If you don't, what do you think?
Thanks in advance for any responses...
TG