MsPersistence
Civil/Environmental
- May 13, 2010
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Reference thread164-129243
We have been asked to assist the community we live in (24 homes) with a source water problem. The water has a pH of 9.1 - 9.2 and sulfide value of around 8.0 ppm. At present the current operator is dosing about 43 ppm of chlorine, the water is gassing off noticable foul odour. The water is then stored in 40,000 gallons of storage, with an approximate retention time of 11 days. The gas, of course, as well as remaining sulfate reducing bacteria makes it's way into the residences. I'm not concerned about the fluoride levels of 4.2 ppm at this point since each home has an RO for drinking water, solely due to the fluoride levels. The elemental sulfur has been sludging into the bottom of the water storage reservoir, (for how long, I don't know) and of course partially making it's way to the homes too. (I'm allergic to sulfa so no wonder I've been feeling sick since we moved here haha) To futher compound the issue, the dibromo's presently exceed our 16 ppb limit (at 26 ppb) and the last set of THM's came back at 63 ppb (our limit is currently 100) I do not know if the operator was dosing at 43 ppm when that THM level of 63 ppb was reported, however the dibromos already exceed the limit so I really want to get away from using this much chlorine for oxidation.
chlorides are around 83 ppm, sodium at 198 ppm and carbonates at about 200 ppm , and TOC at 3.7 ppm TDS from what I recall is nearing 500 mg/L
The only good think I can come up with so far is that the source water would be an excellent candidate for onsite sodium hypochlorite generation!!! (probably too complex for this situation though)
Some tests using aeration and carbonation have been done (by others) - some worked, some didn't. Issues (as laid out in prior thread from 2005) were correct in stating that the CO2 will gas off before the H2S does. (thus leaving the pH back on the rise, the opposite of what we need). That is exactly what happened in these tests done by others.
We piloted an oxygen generator on one of our sites last year. (not this site) It worked GREAT! We went through 4 variations of the pilot process (varying types of equipment) and in the end removed 100% of iron, manganese, TOC with great turbidity & colour reductions, and significant improvements in transmissivity.
So I was thinking - what if we first reduced the pH from 9 to 5.5 (not sure how yet) the flow rate is about 8 gpm.
Then we gas off as much H2S as possible (not sure if there is a practical and economical unit for this available commercially) I know I know - a vent pipe through the roof, right - but I don't know if this is environmentally feasible or safe. So we need environmentally feasible and safe.
Then we go through the micro aeration unit (it does not like chemicals apparantly so I'm not sure how it will handle the pH adjusted water - I am thinking the probes will simply require more maintenance.) The idea is to oxidize any remaining sulfur to elemental.
THen we chlorinate to control of any remaining sulfate reducing bacteria (~ 5ppm or so)
THen we go through pressure filter combo unit with KDF 55 and possibly GAC to remove the elemental sulfur and remove some (or all) chlorine with the added bonus of TOC removal (25 - 30 % with GAC)
Then more chlorination and pH adjustment to clearwell.
The disposal field for the site no longer is working and the backwash holding tank has limited capacity. So RO is not really an option here. ANd we also need to really think about how to keep the amounts of backwash water down.
So what I need is advice. Will this work? What are the pro's and con's and potential problems? Is there a better method? If this process might work, what is the best way to go from pH 9 to 5.5? Is pH 5.5 the "right" number? How do we scrub the H2S?? (economically?) How do I keep the plant from blowing up? We deal with Gas Analytical so I am certain they have a good H2S monitor we could spec. Is KDF 55 the right media? I am thinking most any media would be good! I was also thinking we might get real lucky and have a side benefit of fluoride redutions! (though I haven't yet looked into this at all) Is there a better way to control the sulfate reducing bacteria? How should we bring the pH back up to 7 or 7.5 from 5.5? Will this happen partially with the gassing off since pH is really just a measure of the hydrogen ion and they will be gassed off??
Thank you all - I look forward to your responses
My second idea would be to do pH adjustment first, with aeration second and try and gass off ALL the H2S either in tanks inside the building or take this huge treated water storage tank,split it into a raw and treated reservoir and insert aeration tubes into the raw side, vent it, pH adjust it, and have it act like a clarifier for any deposited sludge. By continuing adding oxygen to it, and adjusting the pH, the H2S should be "forced" to gass off. (shouldn't it?) THen we pump from the raw water storage back through the plant, perhaps through media filters or even Harmsco bag filters (SS cleanable) we even have 3 HomeSpring ultrafilters that would work from GE. The idea is to ensure any remaining, oxidized elemental sulfur does not get into the treated storage - then pH adjustment, chlorination and treated water storage. Then once a year or every coupld of years we simply vacuum off the bottom of the raw water storage reservoir or have the reservoir professionally cleaned.
We have been asked to assist the community we live in (24 homes) with a source water problem. The water has a pH of 9.1 - 9.2 and sulfide value of around 8.0 ppm. At present the current operator is dosing about 43 ppm of chlorine, the water is gassing off noticable foul odour. The water is then stored in 40,000 gallons of storage, with an approximate retention time of 11 days. The gas, of course, as well as remaining sulfate reducing bacteria makes it's way into the residences. I'm not concerned about the fluoride levels of 4.2 ppm at this point since each home has an RO for drinking water, solely due to the fluoride levels. The elemental sulfur has been sludging into the bottom of the water storage reservoir, (for how long, I don't know) and of course partially making it's way to the homes too. (I'm allergic to sulfa so no wonder I've been feeling sick since we moved here haha) To futher compound the issue, the dibromo's presently exceed our 16 ppb limit (at 26 ppb) and the last set of THM's came back at 63 ppb (our limit is currently 100) I do not know if the operator was dosing at 43 ppm when that THM level of 63 ppb was reported, however the dibromos already exceed the limit so I really want to get away from using this much chlorine for oxidation.
chlorides are around 83 ppm, sodium at 198 ppm and carbonates at about 200 ppm , and TOC at 3.7 ppm TDS from what I recall is nearing 500 mg/L
The only good think I can come up with so far is that the source water would be an excellent candidate for onsite sodium hypochlorite generation!!! (probably too complex for this situation though)
Some tests using aeration and carbonation have been done (by others) - some worked, some didn't. Issues (as laid out in prior thread from 2005) were correct in stating that the CO2 will gas off before the H2S does. (thus leaving the pH back on the rise, the opposite of what we need). That is exactly what happened in these tests done by others.
We piloted an oxygen generator on one of our sites last year. (not this site) It worked GREAT! We went through 4 variations of the pilot process (varying types of equipment) and in the end removed 100% of iron, manganese, TOC with great turbidity & colour reductions, and significant improvements in transmissivity.
So I was thinking - what if we first reduced the pH from 9 to 5.5 (not sure how yet) the flow rate is about 8 gpm.
Then we gas off as much H2S as possible (not sure if there is a practical and economical unit for this available commercially) I know I know - a vent pipe through the roof, right - but I don't know if this is environmentally feasible or safe. So we need environmentally feasible and safe.
Then we go through the micro aeration unit (it does not like chemicals apparantly so I'm not sure how it will handle the pH adjusted water - I am thinking the probes will simply require more maintenance.) The idea is to oxidize any remaining sulfur to elemental.
THen we chlorinate to control of any remaining sulfate reducing bacteria (~ 5ppm or so)
THen we go through pressure filter combo unit with KDF 55 and possibly GAC to remove the elemental sulfur and remove some (or all) chlorine with the added bonus of TOC removal (25 - 30 % with GAC)
Then more chlorination and pH adjustment to clearwell.
The disposal field for the site no longer is working and the backwash holding tank has limited capacity. So RO is not really an option here. ANd we also need to really think about how to keep the amounts of backwash water down.
So what I need is advice. Will this work? What are the pro's and con's and potential problems? Is there a better method? If this process might work, what is the best way to go from pH 9 to 5.5? Is pH 5.5 the "right" number? How do we scrub the H2S?? (economically?) How do I keep the plant from blowing up? We deal with Gas Analytical so I am certain they have a good H2S monitor we could spec. Is KDF 55 the right media? I am thinking most any media would be good! I was also thinking we might get real lucky and have a side benefit of fluoride redutions! (though I haven't yet looked into this at all) Is there a better way to control the sulfate reducing bacteria? How should we bring the pH back up to 7 or 7.5 from 5.5? Will this happen partially with the gassing off since pH is really just a measure of the hydrogen ion and they will be gassed off??
Thank you all - I look forward to your responses
My second idea would be to do pH adjustment first, with aeration second and try and gass off ALL the H2S either in tanks inside the building or take this huge treated water storage tank,split it into a raw and treated reservoir and insert aeration tubes into the raw side, vent it, pH adjust it, and have it act like a clarifier for any deposited sludge. By continuing adding oxygen to it, and adjusting the pH, the H2S should be "forced" to gass off. (shouldn't it?) THen we pump from the raw water storage back through the plant, perhaps through media filters or even Harmsco bag filters (SS cleanable) we even have 3 HomeSpring ultrafilters that would work from GE. The idea is to ensure any remaining, oxidized elemental sulfur does not get into the treated storage - then pH adjustment, chlorination and treated water storage. Then once a year or every coupld of years we simply vacuum off the bottom of the raw water storage reservoir or have the reservoir professionally cleaned.