I took this information from the NS 2

[BobPE]

I took this information from the NSPE website, I thought it would be interesting to discuss. We are realy uderpaid in relation to other professions I think.


2003 Median Income Engineers salaries:

No Professional Registration: 66,609$
EIT: 52,658
PE: 84,200
PE in Environmental 95,000
PE in Forensic 115,625
PE and certification in other specality 90,300
PE and PLS 89,952
PE and other professional registration 90,000

They also said we lost ground at 1 percent from 2002 to 2003. I have no point in posting this, just making it known. Maybe we can talk about ways we can do better?


BobPE

 

[GregLocock]

Here's some suggestions

1) reduce recruitment

1a Increase standards of entry. Remove eligibility from a fixed percentage of degree courses each year
1b Forcible retirement of competition. (The Sopranos option)

2) Increase demand
2a identify value added, use this in pay negotiations
2b Disallow cross-specialisation

3) go on strike.

Incidentally have you got the ages for each group? Employers have this funny habit of paying their more experienced people more money.



Cheers

Greg Locock

 

[GregLocock]

More usefully here are the medians for APESMA (Australian engineer's trades union) members who are civil engineers.

All figures in thousands of Australian dollars (A$1=US 66c)

Years exp salary package

<2 38 44
2-5 43 53
5-10 60 83
10-15 66 86
15-20 90 102
20+ 90 109

Pay rises last year were 3.7 to 5.1% depending on sector.

The jump at 15 years is interesting. I noticed that myself . The levelling off at 20 is interesting. I noticed that myself

Incidentally in Big Mac Index terms Australian dollars are about the same as US$.

Cheers

Greg Locock

 

[cbiber]

My concern is less about pay than about job security. The money is nice when you have a job, and if you're smart you bank as much as you can while you have it. But salary levels are irrelevant if your employer doesn't need you anymore!

I went through a salary reduction of >80% when I got laid off and then started my own consulting gig. It is just hard to find enough work.

As far as engineer salaries varying by discipline: Everybody knows EE's rule the world (if you ask them, anyway!)... and I don't know of anything that'll change that attitude!

Cathy Biber

Biber Thermal Design

http://www.biberthermal.com

 

[EngineerDave]

Apparently a great number of EE's are out of work though. It really surprises me.

In fact the total number of engineers out of work surprises me on one hand, but on the other hand, my personal experience of having to travel to overseas manufacturing plants explains a portion of it. If the manufacturing jobs are overseas, so are several of the engineering jobs tied to them.