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GregLocock
Automotive
Best idea is to install your production software on your production machine, get it all working properly and never update it or even connect it to the internet.
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Best way to do it is to stay current with the latest release of any software so you don't have these problems.
Repeat after me... I don't need to have Windows 7, I don't need to have Windows 7.
No point in staying current with an OS when you can't stay current with the programs that run on it..Or don't run on it.
Repeat after me... I don't need to have Windows 7, I don't need to have Windows 7.
No point in staying current with an OS when you can't stay current with the programs that run on it..Or don't run on it.
"Best idea is to install your production software on your production machine, get it all working properly and never update it or even connect it to the internet."
I don't think I agree with any part of that statement. A test machine would be a production machine, normally the Design Manager. You need updates, usually they resolve problems that being experienced in the design packages. The internet is a valuable resource for research learning, supplier and community parts, etc. Employers that overly restrict access for viewing sites and downloads are tying designers and engineers hands being their backs and expecting them to be even more productive. Bad management. If a design team has a lead designer or manager that knows what they are doing any and all issues can be resolved w/o issue.
Windows 7 is great, I don't have software issues unless we are trying to run really old software, such as COSMOS DesignSTAR 4.0 or AutoPIPE 2004. I agree with mcgyvr, subscription is the way to go.
I don't think I agree with any part of that statement. A test machine would be a production machine, normally the Design Manager. You need updates, usually they resolve problems that being experienced in the design packages. The internet is a valuable resource for research learning, supplier and community parts, etc. Employers that overly restrict access for viewing sites and downloads are tying designers and engineers hands being their backs and expecting them to be even more productive. Bad management. If a design team has a lead designer or manager that knows what they are doing any and all issues can be resolved w/o issue.
Windows 7 is great, I don't have software issues unless we are trying to run really old software, such as COSMOS DesignSTAR 4.0 or AutoPIPE 2004. I agree with mcgyvr, subscription is the way to go.
GregLocock
Automotive
Well, your mileage obviously varies. I run the programs I need on an NT4 box that has never been on the internet.
If I need the internet I use my laptop. If I need to connect my laptop to the production box then I unplug the laptop from the Internet.
Net result of that is is that I spend zero time fiddling with my production box. The tools are there, I use them. It's been there for 6 years.
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If I need the internet I use my laptop. If I need to connect my laptop to the production box then I unplug the laptop from the Internet.
Net result of that is is that I spend zero time fiddling with my production box. The tools are there, I use them. It's been there for 6 years.
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None of that is relevant to high end design programs like Inventor and Solidworks. I have been using these programs for years and for many of them controlling CAD administration. These programs don't run on 6 year old machines. Simple programs will run on anything, setting up and maintaining workstations for high end design software is not comparable. Additionally your workflow may be ok for the operations you perform but for a efficient design team it is not. Do you expect each designer to sit at a desk with a laptop and a 6 year old machine, changing back and forwards every 30mins to protect their 'boat anchor' from infections?
GregLocock
Automotive
I do it because it is cost effective. There is nothing really high end about the programs you mention, other than the user interface. I don't use high end CAD but I know what it looks like, the programs you mention are nice and easy, that's why I use them for CAD.
And if I only spent 1/2 an hour working on a job before diddling away at something else then I'd have ADD, not an engineering mindset.
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And if I only spent 1/2 an hour working on a job before diddling away at something else then I'd have ADD, not an engineering mindset.
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So you don't use high end CAD but you use them for CAD? That must be the engineering mind set you were talking about 
So if you don't use CAD why are you posting in the Inventor forum?
Actually they are high end packages, they require large amounts of computer resources, processing and graphics. Yeah they are easy to use thanks to the user interface you mention but to use them well or to know anything about the administration for a medium to large installation takes time .
I think you missed the point, no one 'diddles away' at something else, working on a project requires the use of multiple tools simultaneously, which isn't possible if you have to change computers. Particularly anyone working in product design.
I work as a mechanical engineer these days but use mainly FEA programs rather than CAD but they are not so high end if you break down what they are actually doing (repetitive manipulation) and require similar computers to run. The only difference is the memory limitation to the number of DOF that are able to be solved.
It is a shame this thread got so off topic.
So if you don't use CAD why are you posting in the Inventor forum? Actually they are high end packages, they require large amounts of computer resources, processing and graphics. Yeah they are easy to use thanks to the user interface you mention but to use them well or to know anything about the administration for a medium to large installation takes time .
I think you missed the point, no one 'diddles away' at something else, working on a project requires the use of multiple tools simultaneously, which isn't possible if you have to change computers. Particularly anyone working in product design.
I work as a mechanical engineer these days but use mainly FEA programs rather than CAD but they are not so high end if you break down what they are actually doing (repetitive manipulation) and require similar computers to run. The only difference is the memory limitation to the number of DOF that are able to be solved.
It is a shame this thread got so off topic.
GregLocock
Automotive
I use Inventor for CAD because it is easy, not because it is high end.
I neither know nor care about your other points, since you seem to live on a planet other than mine.
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I neither know nor care about your other points, since you seem to live on a planet other than mine.
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So you think something has to be difficult to use to be a high end package?? That is ridiculous any program that is too difficult to use will be surpassed by its competitors. A high end package is based on the programs capabilities, programming, market share, etc. Do you even know what a high end software package is?
Clearly you must live on your own little planet that is the centre of your universe. There is a real world outside that is moving faster than you, keep up.
Clearly you must live on your own little planet that is the centre of your universe. There is a real world outside that is moving faster than you, keep up.
GregLocock
Automotive
CATIA is high end. Inventor is not. Market share has nothing to do with high end.
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Well it does, Acquisitions = market Share = Better Products. Not the most important feature but it all counts.
Was going to let a dead dog lie but I stumbled upon this article by accident the other day..
Was going to let a dead dog lie but I stumbled upon this article by accident the other day..
It is semantics but I find it amusing he will argue something for so long he knows nothing about, or nothing about 10 years on..
Yeah he is Indian, but there are some good users and engineers from there.
Either way, I am not the only one who defines Inventor as a high end cad package. I wasn't even looking for that link when I found it but I could get sources from more well known authors if I needed to.
Either way, it had nothing to do with what I was originally talking about. Do you disagree mcgyvr?
Yeah he is Indian, but there are some good users and engineers from there.
Either way, I am not the only one who defines Inventor as a high end cad package. I wasn't even looking for that link when I found it but I could get sources from more well known authors if I needed to.
Either way, it had nothing to do with what I was originally talking about. Do you disagree mcgyvr?
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