I have a situation where a joist is 1/4" taller than the adjacent joists in new construction. The builder is giving pushback to the owner on fixing it. Without getting into how or why to fix it, is there anything in the 2018 IRC regarding this? How about using the span/deflection ratio requirements with the subfloor as the member? 16" O.C. / 0.25" = L/64?
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IRC Floor Flatness Requirements 1
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Engineered Hardwood. Just went down that road and found this....
: National Wood Flooring Association, a defect performance standard.
Part III
Subfloor Flatness and Integrity
A. Wood subfloors must be flat, clean, dry, structurally sound, free of squeaks and free of protruding fasteners.
1. For installations using mechanical fasteners of 1½” and longer, the subfloor should be flat to within ¼” in 10 feet or 3/16” in 6 feet radius.
2. For glue-down installations and installations using mechanical fasteners of less than 1½”, the subfloor should be flat to within 3/16” in 10 feet or 1/8” in 6 feet radius.
B. If peaks or valleys in the subfloor exceed the tolerances specified above, sand down the high spots and fill the low spots with a leveling compound or other material approved for use under wood flooring. However, it is the builder’s or general contractor’s responsibility to provide the wood-flooring contractor with a subfloor that is within the tolerances listed above.
: National Wood Flooring Association, a defect performance standard.
Part III
Subfloor Flatness and Integrity
A. Wood subfloors must be flat, clean, dry, structurally sound, free of squeaks and free of protruding fasteners.
1. For installations using mechanical fasteners of 1½” and longer, the subfloor should be flat to within ¼” in 10 feet or 3/16” in 6 feet radius.
2. For glue-down installations and installations using mechanical fasteners of less than 1½”, the subfloor should be flat to within 3/16” in 10 feet or 1/8” in 6 feet radius.
B. If peaks or valleys in the subfloor exceed the tolerances specified above, sand down the high spots and fill the low spots with a leveling compound or other material approved for use under wood flooring. However, it is the builder’s or general contractor’s responsibility to provide the wood-flooring contractor with a subfloor that is within the tolerances listed above.
Is there a requirement that they achieve any flatness? I spec it for concrete... and that's about it.
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whatever happened to "the customer is always right"?
Seems like good backup. There maybe requirements for the underside of the joist if it has a finished material i.e. is the ceiling for a lower floor.
This appears to be one of those areas of fighting among subcontractors as well. Flooring installer will be pissed if they are responsible for finessing out a 1/4" hump because the framers were too lazy. All and all a workmanship/means and methods problem. However it occasionally gets dump to the engineer if the general contractor can not handle it.
This appears to be one of those areas of fighting among subcontractors as well. Flooring installer will be pissed if they are responsible for finessing out a 1/4" hump because the framers were too lazy. All and all a workmanship/means and methods problem. However it occasionally gets dump to the engineer if the general contractor can not handle it.
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JoelTXCive
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I'm surprised the flooring installer did not bring this up with the general contractor.
Usually the first thing the flooring installers do is check the floor for level. Then they go to the GC and say, "We need more money for floor leveling compound (float)"
Usually the first thing the flooring installers do is check the floor for level. Then they go to the GC and say, "We need more money for floor leveling compound (float)"
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how did it happen? I am trying to run scenarios in my head how this can possibly happen.
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JoelTXCive
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XR250 - I bet you are correct. It's a brutal business.
I worked for a large production builder back in my homebuilding days. We had 1 bag of float budgeted per 100 sq. ft. of floor (that is not a lot of float). If the flooring guys wanted more, then I had to pay an extra; which reduced my bonus money. Or, I had to back charge the framer or foundations guys for float.
All the contractors on the projects are the lowest bidder; and there almost always is an accelerated ~70 day build schedule.
I worked for a large production builder back in my homebuilding days. We had 1 bag of float budgeted per 100 sq. ft. of floor (that is not a lot of float). If the flooring guys wanted more, then I had to pay an extra; which reduced my bonus money. Or, I had to back charge the framer or foundations guys for float.
All the contractors on the projects are the lowest bidder; and there almost always is an accelerated ~70 day build schedule.
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