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[dik]

I don't know if this copies the thread. For Python guys... See 3:05. It didn't copy the thread location.

 

[BulbTheBuilder]

This is amazing. I don't know much about OpenAI's system, but this DeepSeek's system is impressive. I have heard it's cheaper than their competitors which similar processing speed. From what I have read, people aren't happy it's from China, but I currently see no security issues with it.

 

[dik]

I have heard it's cheaper than their competitors

By a factor of 10... The American stock market has taken a real hit on the local AI companies; their values have dropped considerably. Also of note was that the cost was less than $6M and it was done in two months. American AI programs have taken years and cost Billion$. The program runs on lesser hardware.

The reason I posted this in the Python group was because at 3:05 it shows the program coding a 'Tetris' computer game and I was really impressed with the methodology. It can also run on processors that are of lesser power than other AI programs. I'm not sure how the cost is involved. It is my understanding that the source is free. Maybe if you run the program on the cloud there's a cost; if you install it on your own computer, it's free. Dunno. They have six or eight versions to run on different levels of hardware.

I used to code in half a dozen different languages, including Forth, and I'm sorry this wasn't available 30 or 40 years ago. I'm from the time when coding math intensive programs in BASIC was faster than C... BASIC used the Fortran math library which was faster. I wrote several programs with over a meg in source code. I often used Assembly for writing sub programs because hardware was so slow (8088 time), I'm too old and wobbly to appreciate the code.

 

[Euler07]

Thanks Dik. It's definitely interesting that China is open-sourcing their best AI and the best in America is closed source. I've used Deepseek and it's quite amazing since it shows you it's thought process. You can use it for free on their website. Although I think the main obstacle for us engineers is still just finding the time to take advantage of it

 

[dik]

Although I think the main obstacle for us engineers is still just finding the time to take advantage of it

If I were younger (and sharper), I'd be interested in the code...About 55 years back I did a bunch of heuristic programming... which is somewhat related to AI... It was some of my trickier work. I was a tekkie nut...

 

[GregLocock]

Try asking DeepSeek about Tiananmen Square.

here's ChatGPT
>Tiananmen Square Tank man

Tiananmen Square Protests and the Tank Man: Censorship & Legacy
The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 were a pro-democracy movement led by students, intellectuals, and workers, calling for political reform, freedom of speech, and an end to government corruption. The Chinese government, under Deng Xiaoping, declared martial law, and on June 3–4, 1989, the military violently suppressed the protests, killing an unknown number of people—estimates range from hundreds to possibly thousands.
Censorship in China
The Chinese government has heavily censored discussions, images, and any reference to Tank Man and the Tiananmen Square massacre. Here’s how censorship is enforced:
1. Internet Censorship (The Great Firewall)

• Chinese search engines (Baidu, WeChat, Weibo) block terms like "Tiananmen 1989," "June 4th," and even indirect references like "May 35th" (a coded way of saying June 4th).
• Images of Tank Man are immediately deleted.
• Wikipedia pages on the event are blocked in China.

2. Education & Historical Erasure

• Schools in China do not teach about the Tiananmen Square massacre.
• Many young Chinese people are completely unaware of the event due to media control.

 

[dik]

Tiananmen Square Protests and the Tank Man: Censorship & Legacy

Having the source code, it won't be long for some programmer 'fixes' the program. China is pretty sensitive about Tiananmen square... Part of an earlier China.

 

[dik]

Many young Chinese people are completely unaware of the event due to media control.

Chinese atrocities pale in comparison to those of the Americans. They don't teach these in American schools, either.

 

[GregLocock]

Examples please - you may select a cutoff date.

 

[GregLocock]

China’s Genocide Against Uyghurs

at the Elliott School of International Affairs

ieres.elliott.gwu.edu

Genocide, Extermination and Mass Killing in Chinese History (Chapter 14) - The Cambridge World History of Genocide

The Cambridge World History of Genocide - May 2023

www.cambridge.org

This chapter examines mass killing, ‘extermination’ and ‘genocide’ in Chinese history, focusing on the Warring States period and early empires. The Chinese language contains many words for ‘attack’, ‘kill’, ‘extermination’, ‘eradication’, and ‘destruction’ of the enemy. The concept of ‘genocide’ is rendered as ‘extermination’ of an ethnic group. Mass killing was facilitated by China’s precocious development of the technology of rule, especially national conscription and centralized administration. As early as 268 BCE, the state of Qin articulated and practiced an official policy of conquest by ‘attacking not only territory but also people’ to ensure that rival states and their populations could not recover. The Western Han dynasty massacred the Xiongnu in 133-91 BCE and beyond, while the Eastern Han dynasty exterminated the Qiang in 169. Ran Min of a later divided era launched ‘execution of the Jie and extermination of their kind’ in 350. The recurrence of mass killing did not end with the fall of the last dynasty in 1911. The ‘megamurderers’ Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Zedong created ‘China’s bloody twentieth century’ by killing 10.2 million in 1921-48 and 37.8 million in 1923-76, respectively.

 

[Euler07]

Yes, the Chinese one is heavily censored in terms of Chinese history. The Western AI is adulterated in science. In terms of science you will probably get more accurate answers with DeepSeek.

Try asking DeepSeek and then the US ones (Gemma, Claude etc) "What is a woman?".

 

[dik]

Examples please

The two latest... the Ukraine and Gaza genocide. Subject dropped.

 

[BulbTheBuilder]

The reason I posted this in the Python group was because at 3:05 it shows the program coding a 'Tetris' computer game and I was really impressed with the methodology. It can also run on processors that are of lesser power than other AI programs. I'm not sure how the cost is involved. It is my understanding that the source is free.

That is the best part of it. Cost is a big component of most computational runs and if it run efficiently and efficiently without NVIDIA GPUs (due to sanctions) for a fraction of the cost, then I believe this needs to be celebrated. Now, people are going to hate on this mainly because it's from China and be concerned about security but US is no different when it comes to data mining.

I am look forward to seeing more mathematical runs with DeepSeek. Its methodology is impressive and a game changer

The two latest... the Ukraine and Gaza genocide. Subject dropped.

Right there.

 

[GregLocock]

Well dik, you continue to disgust me.

 

[System Protection]

Having the source code, it won't be long for some programmer 'fixes' the program. China is pretty sensitive about Tiananmen square... Part of an earlier China.

So the new China would allow a freedom movement? I don't think so. I think you would see the "earlier China" again.

 

[dik]

Well dik, you continue to disgust me.

Get used to it... see the attached; I've verified all his assertions... and can add to them.

I can provide similar information for Gaza...