Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?

[MikeHalloran]

I mostly deal with marine Diesels, but we do an occasional terrestrial application.

For instance these EMD engines:
s/n 80M37503
model 16-645BC

s/n 77D35003
model 16-645C

According to our EMD distributor, the 16-645BC was originally built in the late 40s or early 50s as a 16-567, and subsequently field- converted and uprated to a 16-645.
The 16-645C is a little newer, probably dating from late 50s to early 60s.
Both are Roots- blown two- strokes. Neither is turbocharged.

The engines are in a mill somewhere in Canada, and we're intending to build new exhaust stacks for them. Yes, we're in Florida. Nothing unusual there, we do business all over the world. We work from drawings, or cad files, or measurements, or prototypes made of plastic drain pipe, whatever it takes.

Just one small problem: We haven't been able to find drawings, or even photographs, of what the exhaust stack connections look like.

Yes, I've Googled the hell out of the subject. Yes, the owner has been contacted, but so far has not been able to produce anything that's useful for our purposes. EMD is in transition right now, and has apparently long since discharged anyone who might even know where to look. I've found a fair amount of information among hobbyist sites for newer engines, most turbocharged.

Anyone have photos or drawings of something similar? Or clues? Or rocks that I haven't looked under? Thanks.



Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

 

[dwedel]

Hi Mike,

Are you talking about the exhaust manifold flange? I'm afraid I don't know anything about these engines. Once you fab a piece to connect to the manifold the rest would be relatively easy as you probably know.

Are these used in the locomotive engines? Do you know if the exhaust manifold would be the same in the locomotive body as your aplication. We have a locomotive roundhouse here in town that rebuilds EMD locomotive engines, maybe that would give you a different direction to search. (That is what made me think of this possibility)

P.S. Do you know of any good thermal blanket companies to recomend in the West or Midwest? Or do you build blankets also?

Good luck,

dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!

 

[MikeHalloran]

That's right, I need to know about the exhaust manifold flange, so we can fab that piece, and yes, the rest is easy. Okay, easier.

I've found a few locomotive shop manuals and operator manuals, for turbocharged versions.

Yes, we make blankets. Call Dave Cook at 954-763-3005.




Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

 

[dwedel]

Sorry, I'm not much help on the EMD, I would imagine these locomotives are turbocharged also. This almost sounds like a custom installation?

We repair/fabricate some of the exhaust for our old engines. As we weld on pipelines, we "think" we are good metal fabricators. Sometimes the exhaust systems work better than others. [shrug] However we do need blankets sometimes.

Good Luck,

dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!

 

[MikeHalloran]

Our best source so far says that these specific engines are not turbocharged. Turbocharging was uncommon when they were built.

Not to say that welding is easy, but the actual welding is the easy part. Squeezing a big pipe into a little room that's already full of engine is the hard part.

We get a lot of business from guys who build their own pipes first. ;-)



Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

 

[dwedel]

Yes, a little dose of humility makes for a good customer. lol We're lucky in the terrestrial relm and usually have plenty of room.

Where in Canada is this engine?

dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!

 

[MikeHalloran]

I'm a little fuzzy on that. The story I'm recalling is that they've been in a hammermill, maybe in Nova Scotia, for decades.








Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

 

[dwedel]

Too bad, I'm about 100 miles from Sask. Would have made a nice weekend trip. Good luck

dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!

 

[MikeHalloran]

I talked briefly to the customer today. He says the engine flanges are different from each other, but I don't have to worry about it, because he will make the transition pieces, and supply the 26" pipe, which he has lying around.

[ I'm amazed that anyone would have any quantity of pipe that large just lying around. ]

Now, all we have to quote on is the hospital grade silencers ( a residential area has grown around the site ) and blankets, for some unknown quantity of pipe and some unknown quantity of elbows of unknown radius. Ah, business as usual. ;-)




Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

 

[dwedel]

Good luck Mike,


dwedel
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[Columbia1]

Do you have any info on where replacement fuel pumps may be found? We have 4ea 567 ATL(S&P) of which 3 were converted to 645 config. except for the front end which means we find ourselves looking for the old parts which are very hard to come by. We have tried Stuart and Stevenson, Hunt Engine, and Hatch and Kirk. The pump was manufactured by the Tuthill Co. and we will try them next

 

[MikeHalloran]

We buy no engine parts. We supply a few to manufacturers and distributors. I have no special connections for antique parts, or for anything.

But I know a few people, and they know a few people, etc.

If Tuthill can't help, call me at the office, and we'll talk. Extension 307.



Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

 

[AMZecha]

Valley Power Systems in California has access to a good supply of 567 spares.
Try contacting Valre.Holman@vdda.com
Phone# (909) 681-9283

 

[MikeHalloran]

Thanks for responding. I hope Columbia1 found his/her pumps.

Our customer got sticker- shocked by the price of hospital grade mufflers, and elected to do something else. Other customers elected to do something else too, so I'm between jobs, again.





Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA