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Post Brexit PED/SEP

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KEEST

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Jun 24, 2020
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We currently use ASME code for SEP on category <1 pressure vessels going to Europe. Our NoBo tells us that after Brexit we cannot use ASME because the UK is (was) the only member state that recognized ASME for SEP. What are others doing after the transition period of Brexit for SEP?
 
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The PED website says the following:
The PED mandates the use of harmonised European (EN) standards to the exclusion of all else. However, Notified Bodies have wide freedom to interpret the essential requirements of the Directive and experience to date is that some of them are prepared to accept vessels based on ASME standards as being safe and suitable for CE marking. This is a matter for individual Notified Bodies.

Considering ASME is an internationally recognised code, it looks like your NoBo has a beef with America.
 
ASME never was a recognised harmonised standards. Your nobo was incorrect

Huub
 
Pressure Equipment Directive (PED): Can the ASME codes be used to demonstrate compliance with the PED?
The PED mandates the use of harmonised European (EN) standards to the exclusion of all else.
However, Notified Bodies have wide freedom to interpret the essential requirements of the Directive and experience to date is that some of them are prepared to accept vessels based on ASME standards as being safe and suitable for CE marking. This is a matter for individual Notified Bodies.
 
DekDee said:
Pressure Equipment Directive (PED): Can the ASME codes be used to demonstrate compliance with the PED?
The PED mandates the use of harmonised European (EN) standards to the exclusion of all else.
However, Notified Bodies have wide freedom to interpret the essential requirements of the Directive and experience to date is that some of them are prepared to accept vessels based on ASME standards as being safe and suitable for CE marking. This is a matter for individual Notified Bodies.
What’s the source of this?

Huub
 
That’s not an official EU document afaik. It’s ok for the British to use that, but in the bigger (EU) picture it’s of little use.

Huub
 
That's just weird. You can use any recongised (relevant) standard for PED, the amount of hoops you want to jump through is your choice.

ASME offer a course for meeting PED requirements too.

If it turns out no member state other than the UK has supplied ASME SEP equipment, I would be amazed. Netherlands, Italy, Germany all have huge pressure vessel manufacturers...
 
Ask Boris and his personal Rasputin, Domenic Cummings; they have all the answers.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
What’s meant with the following, which I didn’t understood;
ASME code for SEP on category <1 pressure vessels
Lower than PED category I means art 4.3 or SEP...

Huub
 
Remember, the PED is there as a trade barrier and noting else. It is the same reason that ENs were written so that they comply with ASTM/ASME but not the other way around. A major factor in why EN are not consensus standards.

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I will be popping down to the pub for a celebratory pint when PD 5500 returns to being BS 5500.
 
EdStainless,

Meanwhile ISO is wreaking havoc with AWS filler metal standards, supposedly for 'trade barrier' reasons. In the Globalization era trade wars have become trade barrier wars.

Instead of multiple codes, which mature adult fabricators can cope with, we will all just end up with an unholy tangled mess. Out of pure self-interest as a Code user (not xenophobia; I'm a European too) I which the AWS would just ignore Europe.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
Ed, in which way do EN standards comply with ASTM/ASME standards but not the other way around?

Huub
 
@Ed - EN achieve consensus within the member states of the EU who, in turn, use their individual network of experts to advise and comment for voting. Seems that that might be a little more 'consensus' than some standards emanating out of other countries. Participation in the process brings about a little more understanding. I've worked on ISO/EN standards development, I also participate in NACE standards approval, and I know which process that I have more respect for.

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I’m reading the first post again. For SEP, the ESR’s of Annex I don’t need be met. Hence, all codes can be used. CE-marking is not allowed for SEP. Any nobo claiming anything that for SEP ASME can be seen as a harmonised standard, well, simply didn’t get it. If he only meant they acknowledge ASME for SEP; that’s fine. As pointed out by others, a large number of countries manufacture acc. ASME for categories I, II, III and IV.

Huub
 
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