Eng-Tips is the largest engineering community on the Internet

Intelligent Work Forums for Engineering Professionals

  • Congratulations waross on being selected by the Tek-Tips community for having the most helpful posts in the forums last week. Way to Go!

Pressure loss, Vena Contracta

Status
Not open for further replies.

blckwtr

Mechanical
Oct 30, 2006
204
0
0
NO
I need some help with finding the pressure loss in an annulus system. Very simplified:

It consists of a bar. Around it two pipes, such that it forms two annuluses. Think of this system blocked in one end, and there is drilled a hole in the inner pipe radially, such that the flow from the "outer" annulus can flow into the "inner" annulus. The flow media is water or hydraulic oil...

Dimensions outer annulus: D1 and d1
Dimensions inner annulus: D2 and d2
Dimensions drilled hole: D
Flow: Q
Pressure outer annulus: p1
Pressure inner annulus: p2

What is the pressure loss through the "port"? OR:
What is the pressure difference between the two?

In advance, thanks...:)
 
Replies continue below

Recommended for you

BigInch...: This is a problem occuring quite often in tools designed in our company, and I've spoken with several experienced people on the field.

If I could measure parameters before the tool was produced, I would be very happy, however this is not the case...(!)

Litterature on this does not exist. If you search this problem, you most likely end up with bernoulli equation, conservation of mass etc. (modified) But in these cases, one or more parameters are missing. The orifice plate analogy is menat to measure flow (which I already know)....

One more thing: The Vena Contracta area parameter needed in these equation are missing...

More views on this matter, people??...;-)
 
I have long been under the impression that a vena contracta exists only for a jet of liquid entering a half-universe of gas.

A jet of liquid entering a chamber filled with initially quiescent liquid is quite a different thing; it eventually sets up a toroidal flow, and ...

Oh. Back to the original question.

The drilled hole(s) can be modeled as orifice(s). The problem you face is that the orifice coefficient is only accurate for a sharp-edged orifice; no chamfer, no radius, no burrs. A laser-cut hole is a decent approximation of that ... unless somebody decides to break the edges, or radius them, "to make it flow better". Yes, it does make the orifice flow better, but less predictably.




Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
 
Post this in the petroleum engining area, they do annulus flow all the time. The set up will be based on a equivalent flowing area (D^2 - d^2)*3.14. The friction factor will be a "wetted area function (D + d) * 3.14.

 
Let's see. 7-14 m/s is about 23-46 ft/sec. Let's call it 35 ft/sec.

Let's assume C[sub]o[/sub] = 0.6 and [β] = 0.3

K [≈] (1-[β][sup]2[/sup])/(C[sub]o[/sub][sup]2[/sup] x [β][sup]4[/sup]) [≈] 120

[Δ]P = 0.0001078K[ρ]v[sup]2[/sup]

[Δ]P = 0.0001078(120)(62.4)(35)[sup]2[/sup] = 1000 psi

Okay, at the other end of the spectrum . . .

Let's assume C[sub]o[/sub] = 0.7 and [β] = 0.7

K [≈] (1-[β][sup]2[/sup])/(C[sub]o[/sub][sup]2[/sup] x [β][sup]4[/sup]) [≈] 4.33

[Δ]P = 0.0001078(4.33)(62.4)(35)[sup]2[/sup] = 35 psi

The true answer depends on the relative size of the hole to the size of the annuli. I may have bracketed the answer, but you'll need to use your exact dimensions and sharpen the pencil on the calcs (I used a shortcut orifice method and the density and viscosity of water) to get the true answer. And, don't forget the oil has to change directions 90[sup]o[/sup] right before and after the hole. I'd use K = 0.3 x 2 and the average velocity in the annuli for that.

Good luck,
Latexman
 
On second thought, I'd use K = 1.2 (a branch tee, not an elbow) x 2 and the average velocity in the annuli for the change in direction right before and after the hole.

Good luck,
Latexman
 
Hello, everyone...

Back to work again...:)

Thank's for all your good replies. Someone is referring to a wetted area, but the losses in the annulus area is very small.

Latexman: Where do you find the discharge coefficient? And what is the ? in your equation? Is this the modified Bernoulli?

Is there some litterature you could referr to?

 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top