Proprer nomencalture when refering to I-deas 1

[ubercad]

In the past when I-deas was still owned by SDRC people would use the terms SDRC or I-deas interchangebly to refer to the softaware. Sometimes both (SDRC I-deas). SDRC of course was aquired by EDS, but there are ads out there for jobs looking for people with SDRC expereince (where have these people been?). The last version, revision or whatever of I-deas was Master Series 12 (I think). Some in the industry are currently refering to I-deas as I-deas NX, not to be confuse with NX4, NX5, NX6 etc. which are really incarnations of the Unigraphics (UG) CAD application. Contrary to what some may have been lead to believe I-deas was not "merged" with Unigraphics to create NX. NX, imo, is basically UG with some functionallity from I-deas thrown in there.

I guess what I'm getting at is, what is the official name for the latest version or revision of I-deas? Siemens refers to I-deas as NX I-deas. What is the latest version of I-deas? I certainly hope it's not something like NX# I-deas because I know full and well that engineering managers who often are not end users of these apps could end up refering to I-deas as NX. NX is not I-deas! NX is UG and I-deas is I-deas!

Stop the madness!

John? Your input please!

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[ewh]

I thought that the plan was to eventually merge Ideas into NX, resulting in one product.
I understand your frustration though. When NX first arrived on the scene, Unigraphics was supposed to be a thing of the past. Apparently not so, at least as far as managers are concerned. You will find more job postings for Unigraphics NX than you will for just NX.

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - [small]Robert Hunter[/small]

 

[ubercad]

What happened is that UG got relabled as NX. Slowly some funtionallity from I-deas is being incorporated into newer versions of NX. I thought Siemens was not going to do anything with I-deas past MasterSeries 12. Apparently this is not the case.

http://www.itscz.net/enovinky/eideas_2008_08/eideas_2008_august_28.htm#_NXI6

I guess the latest version of I-deas is NX I-deas 6. This could cause some confusion. Some managers may refer to I-deas as NX6 in a job posting which would turn way all the people they are looking for which I-deas users not UG users!

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[JohnRBaker]

Ubercad has it about right. The 'core' of NX is based on the Unigraphics architecture with significant functionality based on I-deas applications implemented in the current product. That transition process is now basically complete and going forward we have a product, NX, which is the result of the efforts and expertise of a team made up of experts from both the Unigraphics and the SDRC world.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA

http://www.siemens.com/plm

http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

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[ewh]

So, this product, NX, is neither totally UG nor Ideas but a combination of both? The two parent programs are now relegated to history as have been Applicon and Computervision?

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - [small]Robert Hunter[/small]

 

[looslib]

PTC is still masintaining CADDS 5!
Siemens is still maintaining an Ideas based product, Ideas NX.

Applicon and CALMA, to name 2, have been killed.

NX with the UG base is the path forward with the incorporated applicaations from Ideas MS and even some from Solid Edge.

The NX name did come about after EDS bought SDRC. In beta testing for the version after UG V18, it was initially referred to as V19, then changed to NX before the code was released. NX2 was the first version to have a number as part of the name.


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[ewh]

I guess my real question is, are Ideas and (UG)NX going to become one product in the future, or will it continue as the mid-range/high range duality we have now?

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - [small]Robert Hunter[/small]

 

[NXConsultants]

I think that it's fair to say that whilst Siemens are supporting what we all know as I-deas, there will not be any new releases/versions, I-deas is dead in that sense.

NX is the only lead product now, there will not be any new I-deas seats going in anywhere.

I-Deas and Unigraphics have morphed in to NX (That's not really what happened but that's the gist). To put it another way, Unigraphics and I-deas have become as much one product as can be reasonably expected given different architecture/interface.

If you want mid range use Solid Edge.

As for managers and recruiters out there, NX is Unigraphics despite all the efforts of EDS/UGS/Siemens, having not got the message after eight years; I don’t think they ever will.

 

[ewh]

A lot like requiring ANSI Y14.5 experience. ;-)

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - [small]Robert Hunter[/small]

 

[NXConsultants]

I think that most folks CV/Résumés might as well be in Chinese given the technical knowledge of the average recruiter.

 

[raysapp]

A lot of people will continue to use the name Unigraphics NX as opposed to Siemens PLM, and not necessarily out of ignorance. UGII, EDS UG, UGS, UG NX and now Siemens PLM.
UG has a respectable name and history and I don't think all the name changes, especially the last one, are to the system's benefit.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Speaking of name changes...

29 years with the 'same company', 26 different business cards ;-)

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA

http://www.siemens.com/plm

http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[ubercad]

So what is the latest release/version of I-deas called?

Is MS still used? (as in NX I-deas MS12)

I've seen somewhere it being called NX I-deas 6. Pontentially confusing if you ask me.

I guess when recruiters ask me what's the latest version of I-deas that I've used, I'll just tell them "the latest". Like as if it makes a difference. I don't think I-deas has had any major changes since MS9.

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[SDETERS]

There has been many nice updates Since MS9. One update My Favorite is Three surface fillet that was introduced in I-Deas a year or two before UGnx had this capability. I believe many great features that I-Deas has (Variational sweep, The sketcher with "haystacking") and many many other functions made UGNX5 and UGNX6 what is today. Which will make the transition when We go UGNX a lot more easier. UGNX has some really nice features I-Deas does not have. (3D Modeling Text is better in UGNX) you can do it in I-Deas but once the text is in the model you can not change the letters as easy as you can in UGNX. But if you ask any Old timer about I-Deas they will say SDRC I-DEAS.

 

[Xwheelguy]

UGS' website/GTAC refers to I-DEAS as NX I-deas 6.

Unless it's been added in an NX6 update recently, NX has never had a true 3 faced blend. While Face Blend does have the capability, its uses are very limited (IMO) with most situations resulting in the user having to create a Face Blend with Tangent control curves & creating one half of the full blend at a time.

Tim Flater
Senior Designer
Enkei America, Inc.

http://www.enkei.com

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[raysapp]

Hey Tim
I'm glad you brought that up.
I spent years modeling aerospace forgings in a mid range cam system that had a 3 fillet blend (in addition to a 3 face blend) that I found indispensable. When I moved up to UG I expected to find that and more. Of course there is more. But I've searched in vain for something comparable in terms of power and ease of use. Attached is what I've had to live with.
It's a corner with 3 different size fillets intersecting. It's clearly not a blend; it simply takes the smallest fillet and wraps it around the corner. I've worked face blend and "transition" but they're not dedicated fillet blends.

 

[raysapp]

Whoops
Let's try that again

 

[Xwheelguy]

raysapp,

I hope we're not getting our wires crossed here. I am talking about a 3 FACE Blend or Tri-Tangent Blend, where a full radius is created between 3 separate non-blended faces.

Refer to your original image, which I have marked up and reattached. See that rib that is circled in blue? You have 2 separate Edge or Face blends applied there (one on each side that is no larger than half of the width of the rib) which results in the 2 edges on the top face. A 3 Faced Blend would make a FULL radius over the top of the rib and the highest point of the result blend would be tangent to the top face. The top face would be trimmed away completely in the end. Basically, the cross section of the blend would be somewhat like an upside down U shape.

Regarding your example with the 3 blend running together, that's a case where you may wish to use a Styled Corner, which is actually tangent to 4 faces (3 blend faces and 1 non-blend face - like a ball corner). Styled Corner is only available if you have a Shape Studio licence though and it results in a surface that you'd probably have to Patch into the solid, unless you're creating surfaces then Sewing.

I hope all of that makes some sense and better explains what I was trying to convey earlier.

Tim Flater
Senior Designer
Enkei America, Inc.

http://www.enkei.com

Some people are like slinkies....they don't really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

 

[Xwheelguy]

Darn it...forgot the attachment. Here it is.

Tim Flater
Senior Designer
Enkei America, Inc.

http://www.enkei.com

Some people are like slinkies....they don't really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

 

[raysapp]

Your right Tim, I probably misunderstood what you meant.
However I had in mind SDETERS "Three surface fillet" which I interpreted as a three fillet corner blend. Nevertheless I appreciate your help. Maybe you could take a look at the attached jpg and tell me how I might best achieve this.
BTW I don't have a shape studio lic. And if the solution is a surface, that's fine. Also, I handled that rib with 2 blends because in my old system I would get an error if a blend completely removed a face. I now know that's not a problem with UG. Thanks again for the help.