Regulations/NACE etc. 3

[NPSHa]

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I sort of wonder how we survived without all these wonderful confusions. There have been years of study performed by manufacturers with regards to corrosion, and there are millions of pieces of machinery operating quite well, for many years of useful service life, without the help of self serving organizations interfering and subjecting manufacturers, end users and Engineers alike, with thousands of regulations and so called standards, and further confusing the issues. Chemistry has not really changed much, and we still can't and won't be able to produce H2O, but I suppose bureaucratic unemployable engineers are learning rapidly from the Government regulators, as to how to prevent the producers, from producing, by means of staggering amounts of paperwork, man-hours wasted, filling in forms, and not allowing manufacturers who really know what they are doing, to produce quality products without the addition of additional costs and fees for so called Certifications and which offer no valuable service. It makes me ashamed to be called an Engineer.

 

[EdStainless]

1.In the US these standards are drafted in a consensus process by the users of them. Do you participate?
2. The reason that ASME and NACE exists is because of hundreds of fatalities.

There are potential customers that we don't sell to because we have seen them prove that they do not want to know how to properly apply the rules and we refuse to be party to it. They claim that they are just delivering what customers are asking for. In reality they are choosing to ignore missing or conflicting information.

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P.E. Metallurgy, Plymouth Tube

 

[SJones]

What suddenly caused the resurrection of a 4 year old thread, and a jaundiced outpouring?

http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/benefitsofstandards/benefits_of_standards.htm

http://www.iso.org/iso/home/about/conformity-assessment.htm

When a serious loss of containment occurs from H2S containing equipment, those affected may not be around to collect any compensation.

Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/83b/b04

All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.

 

[NPSHa]

Thanks for your courteous response to an uncalled-for tirade. Please accept my apologies to the entire group.

You are absolutely correct. Standards are an absolute must, especially in the case of dealing with potential hazardous materials, which could result in catastrophic results, especially where life and limb is involved.

Experimentation is not an option in these cases.

Obviously our mandate as professionals, is to attempt to use the very best of resources available, in the design and manufacture products that not only work, but are inherently safe.

Thank you for reminding me of this.

 

[blacksmith37]

I was on MR 01-75 committee from 1980 to 1995 ; at that time there no government involvement . It was just users and manufacturers and I did not notice any manufacturer trying to push an agenda. Later , I went to a few meetings as ISO started to get involved, that did seem to bring some government ( European ) involvement. As I remember , an ARCO accident in south TX prompted the TX Railroad Commission to come to NACE and say if NACE did not write rules , the RR commission would . Old guy rambling ,for what its worth.

 

[NPSHa]

Good bad or indifferent, we Engineers have an obligation to provide the very best to our clients that place a great deal of trust in our experience and profession. We also owe it to ourselves to be aware of any hidden dangers lurking in the woodwork so to speak, hence this forum.

Old guys rambling are a voice of experience, that we need to pay heed to. Plus there have been so many new innovations, it is like a Doctor trying to keep up with new technology. The answer might be right under our nose, as long as it can be ferreted out from the old guys rambling. Good comments. and I'll try to be more polite from now on. Thank you

 

[SJones]

@blacksmith

Something here that may be of interest if you are still keeping your hand in:

http://www.iogp.org/Reports/Type/426/id/552

Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/83b/b04

All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.