jlholt911969
Structural
- Sep 23, 2020
- 13
I have a restaurant with booth seating on the second floor. In the code, Dining and Restaurants have a live load of 100psf, but most of the floor area is taken up by the fixed tables and bench seating of the booths and the space around them is limited since they are back to back along the exterior walls and interior layout. Is there an allowable live load reduction or can I use a reduced live load for the second floor in areas where these booths are located? I was looking at the reduced live load of 60psf allowed in assembly areas with fixed seating, but since this is specific to the Dining and Restaurant category I am not aware of anything that would allow me to reduce the load. Considering that a majority of the occupancy space is taken up by fixed tables and bench seating, I was thinking that this would be an acceptable way to reduce the live load requirement of the second floor. We are running into a floor framing issue over the top of a cooler on the first floor which cuts into the allowable space for the floor framing. Can this be a judgement call or is a strict interpretation of the building code required for this type of issue?
UPDATE: Thank you everyone for the advice. A little background. This is a local bar and grill with restrictive ceiling heights so we have been using very narrow floor joists to maximize headroom. The rest of the second floor of the bar is just fine and we have had no problem meeting the 100psf requirement. Our issue was over a giant cooler with a roof that intruded into the floor system above the minimum ceiling height required by the Building Official. This meant that we had to somehow use smaller joists over the cooler to maintain the same floor level, and still meet the minimum ceiling height for the second floor. Remodels can be so complicated. I have settled on a steel beam that allows for shortened spans allowing (2)2x6 floor joists to carry the 100psf live load instead of the 9 1/2" TJIs used elsewhere, this still provides space underneath for the cooler. I knew I would have to stay with the 100psf floor live load, but I wanted to make sure that I was not missing some obscure exception or adjustment that might be allowed by the code. I never tell a client they can't do something unless I have exhausted all other possible avenues to make something work because I know the first thing they will ask is, "Well can we do it this way?" and I want to make sure I can tell them no if I have to.
Thanks again
UPDATE: Thank you everyone for the advice. A little background. This is a local bar and grill with restrictive ceiling heights so we have been using very narrow floor joists to maximize headroom. The rest of the second floor of the bar is just fine and we have had no problem meeting the 100psf requirement. Our issue was over a giant cooler with a roof that intruded into the floor system above the minimum ceiling height required by the Building Official. This meant that we had to somehow use smaller joists over the cooler to maintain the same floor level, and still meet the minimum ceiling height for the second floor. Remodels can be so complicated. I have settled on a steel beam that allows for shortened spans allowing (2)2x6 floor joists to carry the 100psf live load instead of the 9 1/2" TJIs used elsewhere, this still provides space underneath for the cooler. I knew I would have to stay with the 100psf floor live load, but I wanted to make sure that I was not missing some obscure exception or adjustment that might be allowed by the code. I never tell a client they can't do something unless I have exhausted all other possible avenues to make something work because I know the first thing they will ask is, "Well can we do it this way?" and I want to make sure I can tell them no if I have to.
Thanks again
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