wxh3
Electrical
- Dec 12, 2004
- 3
I am a homeowner in a subdivision that has gravity retaining walls that are between 3 and 5 years old. (Not a geotech engineer, sorry if that is a problem.) The walls range from a foot high to about fifteen feet in height. The soil type in this area is clay. There were several collapses 3-4 years ago when subdivision was still under construction but we've haven't had any problems in the past three years. We have the original design plan with wall dimensions that have the base being roughly half the wall height and an embedment ranging from six inches to 3.5 feet.
We had a different engineering firm analyze the wall design and they came up with a table of "Factor of Safey" values for sliding, bearing, and overturning. The sliding values computed look horrible, with FOS values ranging from 0.60 for a 2-foot wall to 0.35 for a 13-foot wall.
The main conclusion of the analysis was that the wall design was for a different soil type (friction angle 28-31 deg) than the clays (14 deg) we have. The analysis assumed that clay was used as backfill because a few pictures of collapses appeared to show this. The plan does show a "6-inch min." layer of crushed rock behind the wall that is wrapped in fabric. At the bottom of this layer the plan shows a drainage pipe. It is unknown how well this plan was followed.
My basic question is regarding the analysis FOS values. 99% of our wall length have been standing with no apparent problems for 4 years since they were built. This is despite the analysis that shows a sliding FOS of 0.35-0.45 for them.
Is it realistic to assume that the analysis was overconservative? Shouldn't thousands of feet of walls with a sliding FOS of 0.4 show some evidence of problems after three years? I'm a little unclear what FOS exactly means. I've heard 1.0 FOS means the walls are just sufficient to prevent forces from behind the wall to cause it to fail. What time period does this mean? I assume this also assumes adequate drainage. I would think a FOS less than 0.5 would mean the wall will collapse almost imediately after the backfill is added! It would seem to get a 1.5 FOS with clay backfill you would have to have a wall as thick as it is tall.
Thanks for any answers or advice.
We had a different engineering firm analyze the wall design and they came up with a table of "Factor of Safey" values for sliding, bearing, and overturning. The sliding values computed look horrible, with FOS values ranging from 0.60 for a 2-foot wall to 0.35 for a 13-foot wall.
The main conclusion of the analysis was that the wall design was for a different soil type (friction angle 28-31 deg) than the clays (14 deg) we have. The analysis assumed that clay was used as backfill because a few pictures of collapses appeared to show this. The plan does show a "6-inch min." layer of crushed rock behind the wall that is wrapped in fabric. At the bottom of this layer the plan shows a drainage pipe. It is unknown how well this plan was followed.
My basic question is regarding the analysis FOS values. 99% of our wall length have been standing with no apparent problems for 4 years since they were built. This is despite the analysis that shows a sliding FOS of 0.35-0.45 for them.
Is it realistic to assume that the analysis was overconservative? Shouldn't thousands of feet of walls with a sliding FOS of 0.4 show some evidence of problems after three years? I'm a little unclear what FOS exactly means. I've heard 1.0 FOS means the walls are just sufficient to prevent forces from behind the wall to cause it to fail. What time period does this mean? I assume this also assumes adequate drainage. I would think a FOS less than 0.5 would mean the wall will collapse almost imediately after the backfill is added! It would seem to get a 1.5 FOS with clay backfill you would have to have a wall as thick as it is tall.
Thanks for any answers or advice.