serdardundar
Structural
- Oct 6, 2001
- 19
Maybe this question will be longest ever in this site. Sorry for that.
I am working as the only civil engineer in a company specialized in cold formed residential steel structures. We are designing structures with 2-3 stories. I have graduated in 2000. I did not worked with an engineer since my graduate, and I have some problems with the type of connections being used in my company for years.
The connection is some kind of a semi-rigid connection: Flush end plate (not extended beyond the flanges.)There are two rows of bolts (one tension and the other in compression) each with one bolt of diameter of 20mm. The beam is C shaped with 25mm height-8cm flange-3cm lip- 0.3mm thick. The distance between the bolts is 17cm(There are two bolts in the connection). The end plate thickness is 8mm.The column is 20cm height and 0.3mm thick with same length of flange and lips And there are stiffeners in the column extending along the flanges of the beam , a doubler plate at the flange of the column where the beam is connected both have a thickness of 8mm. I am sure that this type of connection should be treated as a semi rigid or hinge type of connection. But if it is treated as a hinge connection the structure will be unstable under lateral loads only(No place left for bracing along one axis of the building) . The practice were modelling the connection as a fixed type of connection in previous designs (which is of course not true.) but i did not see how the connection is designed previously.
My approach is designing the beam as a simple supported beam under vertical loads, and designing the whole structure as the connections are fully rigid (modelling it as rigid frames in the 3d analysis). So that the beams are designed safer (not including the semi rigidity of the connection), and the columns are designed safer (because the connections are rigid the moment caused by the vertical loads are carried by the columns also).Resulting an uneconomical design.
But the moments calculated in the 3d analysis are so high that, if that moment is supposed to be carried by the couple formed by the tension and compression bolts; the top bolt will reach nearly its tension capacity. But i know that before the bolt reaches its tension capacity the end plate or the column flange will begin to yield. I think that the moment capacity of the connection is enough for lateral loads only. But this causes an inconsistency in the design.
I want to change the whole connection and make it fully rigid. I calculated the required thickness for the end plate to resist a moment of 213 tcm (moment capacity of the beam) according to the AISC approach and i found that the thickness of the plate should be 16mm if i extend the plate 8 cm above the beam and use another bolt at the top which is 4cm above the flange(Three bolts in the connection; two in the tension zone, one in the comp. zone) This is not aplicable in my case because the thickness of my column is 3mm and i can not change the thicknesses and there is no space in the flange to use two other bolts in the tension zone. I don't think welding will be solution for my case because my members are 3mm thick, so the welding should be done very very carefully in the site and according to my experience there is no attention paid in the welding at site.
Do anyone think of designing a fully rigid connection in my case? Or a method to calculate to what degree the connection is semi-rigid? Any help will be appreciated by this young, unexperienced and curious engineer. If any drawings or copy of my calculations are needed i can provide them via mail. Sorry for this long mail again. And thanks for everyones help, including the founders of this site...
I am working as the only civil engineer in a company specialized in cold formed residential steel structures. We are designing structures with 2-3 stories. I have graduated in 2000. I did not worked with an engineer since my graduate, and I have some problems with the type of connections being used in my company for years.
The connection is some kind of a semi-rigid connection: Flush end plate (not extended beyond the flanges.)There are two rows of bolts (one tension and the other in compression) each with one bolt of diameter of 20mm. The beam is C shaped with 25mm height-8cm flange-3cm lip- 0.3mm thick. The distance between the bolts is 17cm(There are two bolts in the connection). The end plate thickness is 8mm.The column is 20cm height and 0.3mm thick with same length of flange and lips And there are stiffeners in the column extending along the flanges of the beam , a doubler plate at the flange of the column where the beam is connected both have a thickness of 8mm. I am sure that this type of connection should be treated as a semi rigid or hinge type of connection. But if it is treated as a hinge connection the structure will be unstable under lateral loads only(No place left for bracing along one axis of the building) . The practice were modelling the connection as a fixed type of connection in previous designs (which is of course not true.) but i did not see how the connection is designed previously.
My approach is designing the beam as a simple supported beam under vertical loads, and designing the whole structure as the connections are fully rigid (modelling it as rigid frames in the 3d analysis). So that the beams are designed safer (not including the semi rigidity of the connection), and the columns are designed safer (because the connections are rigid the moment caused by the vertical loads are carried by the columns also).Resulting an uneconomical design.
But the moments calculated in the 3d analysis are so high that, if that moment is supposed to be carried by the couple formed by the tension and compression bolts; the top bolt will reach nearly its tension capacity. But i know that before the bolt reaches its tension capacity the end plate or the column flange will begin to yield. I think that the moment capacity of the connection is enough for lateral loads only. But this causes an inconsistency in the design.
I want to change the whole connection and make it fully rigid. I calculated the required thickness for the end plate to resist a moment of 213 tcm (moment capacity of the beam) according to the AISC approach and i found that the thickness of the plate should be 16mm if i extend the plate 8 cm above the beam and use another bolt at the top which is 4cm above the flange(Three bolts in the connection; two in the tension zone, one in the comp. zone) This is not aplicable in my case because the thickness of my column is 3mm and i can not change the thicknesses and there is no space in the flange to use two other bolts in the tension zone. I don't think welding will be solution for my case because my members are 3mm thick, so the welding should be done very very carefully in the site and according to my experience there is no attention paid in the welding at site.
Do anyone think of designing a fully rigid connection in my case? Or a method to calculate to what degree the connection is semi-rigid? Any help will be appreciated by this young, unexperienced and curious engineer. If any drawings or copy of my calculations are needed i can provide them via mail. Sorry for this long mail again. And thanks for everyones help, including the founders of this site...