Should the ASTM code be stated on the certificates?

[kplaizier]

Hello all,

We have had some discussions with suppliers whether or not the ASTM codes should be stated on the certificates.
For instance when we order material per ASTM A182 F316L.
ASTM A182 par 16 refers to ASTM A961.
ASTM A961 par 19.2 reads: "...They shall contain the information specified by the Product Specification and the purchase order. They shall include the specification number and year/date of issue"

Or we order for instace material per ASTM A240 type 316L.
ASTM A240 par 3 refers to ASTM A480.
ASTM A480 par 8.1 reads: "A report of the results of all tests required by the product specification shall be supplied to the purchaser. This material test report shall reference to the specification designation and year date indicating that the material was manufactured, sampled, tested, and inspected in accordance with requirements of the product specification and has been found to meet those requirements..."

Should our supplier mention the ASTM code on the certificates?

Thanks
Kitty

 

[stanweld]

The ASTM specification number must be on the MTR or a Certificate; otherwise, how will you know what it is or what it is supposed to be? The specification is not a Code.

 

[EdStainless]

The product spec should be stated, in your examples A182 or A240.
You do not need to state any of the secondary specs.
We never list rev of ASTM specs:
1. Many of them are updated 6 times a year
2. You are obliged to be working to the latest version in print
3. Our quality system spells out how we track the revisions

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[XL83NL]

Ed, you work for a mill? Youre reply is contrary to stanweld's comment, even though his statement seems to make sense to me.

 

[EdStainless]

The problem is that the general specs (A480) list everything that is possible, the product spec (A240) list what is actually required.
The argument that we have gotten into is concerning the use of the phrase "year date".
So we state A249-10, well is that -10a, or is it -10c?
We do list the year only (with no rev letter) along with our mechanical test data. (so we use them some places)
We don't put the years into the product descriptions, on acknowledgements, or on any of the process documents.

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[kplaizier]

Thank you for your replies.
I think I can now convince out supplier he has to put on the ASTM specification number on the certificate.

Kitty

 

[stanweld]

I think that you misunderstood my comment. The referenced ASTM specifications in the ASTM material specification need not be included. I fully agree with Ed.

 

[SnTMan]

If the supplier is not stating the specification on the MTR, then it is not spec material and what you have is a piece of metal and a piece of paper.

Regards,

Mike

 

[XL83NL]

stanweld; I stand corrected, I misread your reply.