Used copies of OrCAD

[nornrich]

All,

We are currently running OrCAD Capture 2001. We are looking to add some more people to our design department and we were wondering if there is a place to buy used copies of OrCAD Capture.

Regards,

Rich......

Richard Nornhold, PE

 

[DHambley]

Rich,
I asked the same question on the ORCAD users group. The moderator sent me back some very stern warnings about piracy and illegal software. I only wanted to know where I could buy a license, not steal one. In my particular case, I use ORCAD ocassionally if a firm I consult with has a site license, but I want a license for my home office too. I like v10.2. One firm I worked for just bought the newest 16-point-something and had nothing but problems with it. It cost THOUSANDS. I would be happy to pay $1K or $2K for a 10.2 license but, they don't sell it!

 

[mcgyvr]

The warnings about piracy and illegal software are correct.

Typically programs like this are not supposed to be sold "used". Once a company buys the licensed program its theirs and only theirs. There is typically no license transfers allowed.

Some programs allow a license to be used on 2 computers. Which is typically your machine at work and a home machine.

 

[VEBill]

In some jurisdictions, there may be laws or court rulings that overrule the license terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

So it isn't exactly a clear-cut issue (no matter what the software vendors may say).

 

[mcgyvr]

Is it worth it to possibly have legal issues just to save a few bucks on some software that your company depends on?... heck no

Even thought you might convince a judge that you have legally purchased the software the lawyer costs alone will be more that what you would have spent just buying the right license.

 

[VEBill]

Sorry - but a pet peeve of mine is when companies extend, or try to extend, their 'IP' rights beyond what they're actually entitled. If you only take your legal advice from the EULA, then it might not be totally correct.

 

[Noway2]

Pet peeve. There are valid reasons why I think many people feel that these software companies can take the EULAs and stick'em where the sun don't shine.

I absolutely HATE these software companies that want massive $$ for some piece of crap year after year after year and think that they should be entitled to it. My experience has been that the more money they want, the less the product is worth at least with regards to quality and features.

If at all possible, I tried to avoid working with them and find someone else that is less greedy.

 

[MacGyverS2000]

According to the EULA's, you are renting software for a one-time fee (they use the term "licensing"). You don't own it, and therefore cannot transfer it. It's wrong, and I wish someone would make a strong challenge in court and force them to make a final ruling.

If I pay for a piece of software, I may not own or have access to the code used to create it, but I should be able to sell that single copy to anyone, anywhere, and at any time. So far, most companies remove that option by failing to support the package. It's as if I purchased a car, sold it to my neighbor, but Ford refused to do any maintenance work on it after it transfers hands.


Dan - Owner

http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com

 

[Noway2]

Last weekend, I bought a cheap DirecTV receiver for my RV. The outside of the box had this label on it saying that even though you are buying the physical device that it remains the property of DirecTV and that you must give it to them if you cancel viewing service. Then you get to the register, and it requires your name, address, etc to buy the thing and it pops up a similar message again on that stupid "Enter your PIN # Here" thingy (another pet peeve, but different topic).

Yeah right I say. When I terminate service the last thing I am going to do is send them hardware I purchased, just because they CLAIM that they still own it. Come and get it buddy.

 

[jimkirk]

Check out

http://www.ReasonableAgreement.org

"READ CAREFULLY. By [accepting this material|accepting this payment|accepting this business-card|viewing this t-shirt|reading this sticker] you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies (”BOGUS AGREEMENTS”) that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer."