Where to find if a specific turbine is considered "proven" tecnology?

[jejaram]

Hi,

In my job as a loss control engineer for an insurance company I come across different turbines, some are well known and some I've never heard of them before and determining if that specific series has been in operation for enough time is key to my analysis. So my question is if there is somewhere where you can look up if a specific model can be considered as proven technology (even though I know that the the criteria to consider a relatively new combustion turbine as proven may differ from a manufacturer to another, but I guess there should be at least some minimum requirements).

Thanks.

 

[EdStainless]

Are you talking about aero-derivitive combustion turbines?
Look up the installed base and installation dates.
Though I don't see what difference it makes.
The mfg rating and warranty is the same for all of them in a series.
Unless it was a 'developmental' installation they are all considered to have the same usefulness.


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[jejaram]

Thanks EdStainless for your answer.

I mean combustion turbines.

Where can I find the "installed base and installation dates"?

Even though manufacturers warranty covers the property damage, it doesn't cover the business income loss and that is why insurance companies are not too eager to insure unproven technologies.

 

[BrianPetersen]

Be careful with that train of thought. If taken too far, it will lead to absolutely no innovation being possible ever again.

 

[IRstuff]

Seems to me you are asking a different question. "Unproven" typically applies to reliability, performance, and efficiency; but insurance is typically about catastrophic failures, which, for production systems, is more about workmanship.

I guess you need to define what consequences of "unproven" you are looking for

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[Hoxton]

Get the supplier / manufacturer to offer an Operations and Maintenance contract with damages for low availability and high fuel consumption.

 

[3DDave]

This is data that could be purchased from the turbine manufacturers.

 

[jejaram]

BrianPetersen (Mechanical)9 Jul 20 11:33
"Be careful with that train of thought. If taken too far, it will lead to absolutely no innovation being possible ever again"

I don't make the rules, I just have to follow them.

IRstuff (Aerospace)9 Jul 20 14:43
"Seems to me you are asking a different question. "Unproven" typically applies to reliability, performance, and efficiency; but insurance is typically about catastrophic failures, which, for production systems, is more about workmanship.

I guess you need to define what consequences of "unproven" you are looking for"

I meant the unproven regarding reliability and that the specific turbine is not going to start having damages due to design errors and such.


Hoxton (Electrical)9 Jul 20 15:15
"Get the supplier / manufacturer to offer an Operations and Maintenance contract with damages for low availability and high fuel consumption"

You didn't get my point.


3DDave (Aerospace)9 Jul 20 15:57
"This is data that could be purchased from the turbine manufacturers".

The thing is, I do a survey and have to produce a report in a very short time and there wouldn't be time to negotiate and then buy the information, that's why I asked if there was a list collected by someone.

 

[3DDave]

Have no fear. Your competitors won't rush it. They will take the necessary time to get the actuarial data and either underbid you, knowing the risk, or watch your company lose money from underestimating the risk.