WTC 7 Structural Collapse Reevaluation 12

[Mbrooke]

New study report just came out:

http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

http://ine.uaf.edu/media/222439/uaf_wtc7_draft_report_09-03-2019.pdf

What do others think? Done well?


Wish the file could be down loaded in segments.

 

[3DDave]

It's 9/11 truther garbage. Not worth looking at.

 

[Mbrooke]

In other words its flawed? Bummer.

 

[IRstuff]

we would like to thank Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) for providing the funding to conduct this research.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is an American non-profit organization promoting a controlled demolition conspiracy theory, disputing accepted conclusions around the September 11 attacks, including the 9/11 Commission Report, as well as FEMA's "WTC Building Performance Study".

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[waross]

In regards to building 7;

Are the videos faked or Photo-Shopped?
We have all seen videos of of controlled demolition.
We have probably also seen videos of controlled demolition gone awry.
Some charges fail and the building hangs up, only partially collapses or goes sideways.
The videos of the collapse of building 7 make it difficult to accept that it was caused by fire.
Of particular interest is the even subsidence of the elevator penthouse prior to the simultaneous collapse of the building proper.
When the misfire of a few charges can have a great effect on the results of controlled demolition. what are the odds that a fire could cause a collapse that mimics perfectly a collapse caused by controlled demolition?
Building 7: Link Scroll down a page.
For comparison:Link
If I was part of a conspiracy I would be feeding red herrings to conspiracy groups such as the truthers.
A good red erring would be thermite/thermate.
Over the years I have used a lot of thermite. Given first hand experience with thermite and knowing how easy it is to have a failed thermite joint,I would not consider thermite as a means to bring down a building.
If explosives were used there would be trace evidence.
Maybe I missed it but nowhere in any reports that I have read have I seen mention of amounts of thermite/thermate slag being found.
Was there a conspiracy? Probably, but I don't much care either way.
Who was involved in the conspiracy? Don't know and don't care.


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[Mbrooke]

If I was part of a conspiracy I would be feeding red herrings to conspiracy groups such as the truthers.

Or claim to be a truther while simultaneously 1) asking questions that are technically or blatantly irrelevant. 2) show pictures or videos of one thing but claim another, ie welders cutting columns with acetylene torches after the fact but insisting such pics are evidence of controlled demolition. 3) harassing victims. 4) make unhinged claims that an event never took place or was simply comprised of payed actors.


In the end the image of truthers as a whole is character assassinated.

I am in the camp that the majority of truthers are trolls and controlled opposition further leading people away from reality and intelligent conversations.

 

[Tomfh]

I had a brief look at this report a while ago.

They appear to have calibrated their models to get the results they wanted, which is that fire simply couldn’t have done it and it had to be simultaneous controlled demolitions of every column.

So in summary, GIGO

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Quite a few of them promote the world being flat and chemtrails as well.

 

[Mbrooke]

@Tomfh: Thats sounds like fraud. $316,153 is a lot of money- it should be investigated as to where it came from.

 

[IceNine]

There's one thing I've never understood about these conspiracy theories.
It takes significant time and effort for a controlled demolition to take a building down within it's own footprint.
If this was a conspiracy to make it look like a terrorist attack, why go through all of the trouble?
Why not demolish only columns on half of the building, and let it topple over?

 

[gte447f]

I have not read this report, and I prefer to steer clear of this conspiracy theory stuff in general (I clicked on this thread because I thought it referred to a legitimate reevaluation), but I think the notion that a building is unlikely to collapse within it's own footprint except under conditions of controlled demolition is false. Just look at the other thread on this forum with video of the Hard Rock Hotel collapse in New Orleans. Granted, the Hard Rock was under construction at the time of the collapse, was shorter and less slender overall than the Trade Center Towers, and was not a complete collapse, but the portion that did collapse remained mostly within the building's own footprint.

 

[BrianPetersen]

And all that time has to be put in by a significant number of people, who somehow have all kept quiet about what they did for the last 18 years, and somehow managed to put in that significant amount of effort without ever tipping off the hundreds of people who normally are in and out of that building every day and who would surely have noticed something amiss about strange people running about at strange times and going into numerous strange places in the building and doing strange stuff.

And I know about Citicorp Centre Tower.

http://www.engineersjournal.ie/2015/12/08/citicorp-centre-tower-failure-averted/

Occam's razor. Between two explanations, the one that requires the smallest number of assumptions is correct.

But, good luck convincing the conspiracy theorists otherwise. I know a few of them, and I've given up.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Are there any reports, produced by reputable groups, that provide details on the cause of the collapse of WTC7? If so, they should be part of the automatic response whenever this sort of thing pops-up on the internet.

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[BrianPetersen]

You have to look at publication dates when doing a google search. It seems that everything with a 2019 date on it pertains to the document linked in the original post.

This is from years ago.

https://www.nist.gov/engineering-la...ist-world-trade-center-disaster-investigation

 

[Tomfh]

Mbrooke,

I’m not sure id call it fraud. They had something they wanted to prove and they set about proving it. Reports are so often like that, without necessarily being outright fraud.

 

[IRstuff]

Interesting that ALL of the authors are ostensibly experts in bridge construction, but not necessarily high-rises.

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[CWB1]

Sadly, these quacks teach.

 

[oldrunner]

I watched Building 7 burn for a couple of hours. At the time I was out of touch with the "breaking alerts". The building appeared to be kinda folded over - similar to IceNine's statement. There was one or two small cranes and some dump trucks working the site. The buiding was smoking and some firemen were pouring water from one hose on the building from a adjacent building. I did't see anyone searching the area, that action was all at Buildings 1 and 2. This was the evening of September 12th. I was sitting is a store like area with the windows gone. There was food there on tables and in piles that had been donated. There was probably 25 to 30 people there watching. The group that I was with eventually circumnavigated the whole of the debris area. My thought at the time was that is was a recovery situation and our group was there to rescue people. I have no idea why the building came down.