Drawing Folding Standards 3

• Jun 6, 2006

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MadMango

Mechanical

May 1, 2001

6,992

There is a standard for folding drawings so they are 8.5x11, but I can not find the reference number.

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• Jun 6, 2006

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MadMango

Mechanical

May 1, 2001

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Found something that might help, but it deals with non-ASME sizes... Folding Drawings

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• Jun 6, 2006

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wgchere

Mechanical

Oct 17, 2005

153

When we print for example D size (22x34) we can only get oversize drawings versus B, C and E sizes.

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This is becoming an increasingly held misperception. When you plot a D size drawing at 22 X 34 it is not an oversize drawing--it is a full size plot. Just because we commonly plot a D size as a half size 11 X 17 plot doesn't mean it is a B size drawing--it is a B size plot.

As for folding a D size, it is in Global DRM, para 6.24.1. For D size it is fairly simple:
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[li]Fold the 34" side in half, with the drawing facing out (now you have a paper 22"h X 17"w, with the drawing visible on the front and the back.)[/li]
[li]Fold the 17" side in half (now you have a paper 22"h X 8.5"w, with the title block on the bottom of the front.)[/li]
[li]Fold the 22" side in half (now you have a paper 11"h X 8.5"w, with the title block filling the bottom of the front face.)[/li]
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• Jun 6, 2006

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smcadman

Mechanical

Nov 6, 2002

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thread1103-134784 (What is ARCH E size?) has a list of sheet sizes. By "oversize drawings", I believe 388196 means that the drawing/sheet/plot is oversized because the ROLLS AVAILABLE for the designjet are 24 and 36 inches long. No matter how you plot a 22 x 34, there will be 2" overhang on either the width or length.

Too bad you can't by a 22" roll, then there wouldn't be an issue.

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• Jun 7, 2006

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handleman

Automotive

Jan 7, 2005

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You should be able to get 22 and 34 inch paper. We use it all the time on our Xerox 8850. However, whatever person orders our paper has trouble with consistency. Half the time we have 24/36 and half the time it's 22/34.

 

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• Jun 7, 2006

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mncad

Industrial

Dec 27, 2002

256

We also have an HP Designjet and I have just gotten in the habit of folding the C size sheet first with the extra 2" hanging off the side. Its easy enough to fold if you just line up the lines for the border, that should leave the extra paper hanging off to one side when you are done. I then have a paper cutter setting near by and slice off the extra. I have not found any rolls of 22" wide paper.

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• Jun 7, 2006

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wes616

Aerospace

Mar 19, 2005

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Thought of getting a paper trimmer?

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• Jun 7, 2006

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388196

Mechanical

Feb 28, 2006

4

Thanks for the all suggestions. We have a paper trimmer but we don't want to spend lots of time to trim oversize areas. We'll like to able to print within size. But I understand that with HP designjet plotter and feeding roll paper we can't do that. Thanks MadMango for sending ISO paper folding standard, but I need ANSI paper folding standard also. We are folding B, C, D and E size in same logic. Folding in half until we get title block bottom of front face. C, D and E size folds to fit 9"x11.5". But B size bocomes 9"x12.5". So B becomes the problem size. Rest of them fairly fits into regular binder.

 

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• Jun 7, 2006

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ewh

Aerospace

Mar 28, 2003

6,132

Here is a link to a page which was based on DOD-STD-100. Sorry for the quality, but it should show what you need.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/15710532093.jpg&s=f5

 

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• Jun 7, 2006

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Timelord

Mechanical

Dec 18, 2002

454

How can you fold an ANSI B size and get a 12.5" dimension?
An ANSI B size is 11 x 17 which folds in half to 8.5 x 11.

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• Jun 7, 2006

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388196

Mechanical

Feb 28, 2006

4

When we print B (oversize) size in 24" roll paper it comes out as 12-3/8"x24". We trim horizantol side from 24 to 18". When you fold it, it becomes 9"x12-3/8" (not 12.5 sorry)

 

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• Jun 7, 2006

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wgchere

Mechanical

Oct 17, 2005

153

ewh:
That's the same diagram as the Global DRM folding guide. It probably comes from a MIL or DoD standard.

SMcadman:
Ouch! Thanks for showing me what 388196 meant by oversize.

355196:
Sorry for misunderstanding the oversize drawing part of your post. But I agree with Timelord. All sheet sizes (except F) are multiples of a 8.5 X 11 A size, made by doubling the short side of the previous size--8.5 X 11, 11 X 17, 17 X 22, 22 X 34, 34 X 44.

Wait! I think I remember from an architecture class that architectural sizes are based on an A size that is 9 X 12. Are you in architecture?

 

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• Jun 7, 2006

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MadMango

Mechanical

May 1, 2001

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We fold our B-Size drawings just like Fold 2 on E & J-Sizes listed in that diagram. This allows us to 3-hole punch A & B-Size drawings and place them into notebooks if needed.

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• Jun 7, 2006

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ewh

Aerospace

Mar 28, 2003

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wgchere,
There's a very good reson that it looks like the one from Global

 

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• Jun 7, 2006

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wgchere

Mechanical

Oct 17, 2005

153

D'oh!

 

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