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RFID tags use on PSE parts in aerospace components

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dutchguy

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We are looking for RFID tags to be used on our PSE parts. We intend to place passive RFID tags on the critical parts after the parts are ready to be assembled into the main aerospace component. The information on the RFID tags are used to show traceability forward and backward. The RFID tags have to be EASA, FAA and other authority approved. Is there anyone who can contact us or is there anyone who can point us to an aerospace approved company who can supply to us those RFID tags and can provide us the right advise how to use them and proper register them etc ?
 
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I would think that QR codes would be far more widespread. They can be applied with paint or laser etched so they cannot come loose from poor installation. They don't cost much. Individualized RFID tags seem to cost at least $1 each, not including time for installation, surface prep, recording the serial number vs. item applied to.

It certainly doesn't seem as if the industry has much interest in RFID, but I know that 20 years ago the company I was working for was using QR codes and bar codes on items for DoD equipment.
 
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PSE = principal structural element

Are you the OEM?
What is the purpose for using RFID to track the parts?
Will the RFID become a critical feature? eg, if it stops functioning or is lost, will it invalidate some sort of inspection or tracking plan?
 
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SAE AS5678 Passive RFID Tags Intended for Airborne Equipment Use

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I'd lean toward a QR code as well; it's readable by any cell phone and is easily printed by an laser printer. A QR code would require a reader and a bespoke programmer. Additionally, a QR code can be readily accompanied by human-readable text.

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I taking a educated guess so if I am wrong please correct me.
If your a sub contractor, then contact your customer
If you are the main contractor then contact the faa and or formally dcas, now something else.
And ask for assistance. Plus all other leads given. Or contract a qualified quality engineer
That is trained in this matter.
 
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One nice advantage of a QR code is that it's extensible and can contain a lot of text, which is a major improvement over the UPC codes we were contemplating 30 years ago for documenting tabular calibration data in machine-readable form.

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Can the RFID tags be used for tracking in addition to part identification? If required, this may be a shortcoming of a QR code? Large amounts of data are not an issue. The RFID code can contain an identification that links it to a 'huge' database of information. With the various adhesives on the market, secure attachment should not be an issue.

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Typical passive RFID tracking is limited to a few meters at most, lower if attached to metal objects.

RFID is clearly superior for inventory control as it doesn't require line of sight and they can be updated, but aviation typically has centralized control of maintenance records, making it less an advantage and offering the option to screw up and make an unwanted change.
 
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Can the RFID tags be used for tracking in addition to part identification? If required, this may be a shortcoming of a QR code?
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Ostensibly, RFID can be somewhat better since some can be read from afar, although printed codes seeming work well enough for cargo shipping and personal travel luggage. Passive RFID's range is a function of available power and antenna sizing; claims 15-m passive range. Hypothetically, its antenna is about 10 inches across, but can be augmented with external antennas

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