drawoh,
I'll take your first statement as a funny visual and joke. I totally agree with your second statement and you have made my point better than me. As such, I don't think my advice to OP to take a licensing track is out of line - especially since the context of his situation seems to...
drawoh, even the guy working the cash register at Walmart should not be doing these things. Is your point that everybody is apt to have the same level of ethical behavior? Are you arguing there is no point to licensing? Is it your opinion that requirements for maintaining a license don't deter...
So, just curious, since I don't actually know:
Are non-licensed engineers bound by the same laws promulgated by the state engineering board as licensed engineers? Do they face the same consequences? Can you legally title yourself engineer outside of you place of employment? Are you legally...
As I stated, my comment was a fictional stupidity, just like CBW1's comment.
The only reason this got sparked off is that gregLock got hurt because he interpreted my statement as some slight against non-licensed engineers. Quite frankly, I don't deal with exempt industry people, so I tend to...
Actually it's an interesting point that some engineers that work in exempt industries help develop products that affect a larger number of people than any single one of my thousands of projects.
So lets play the game of making confident, uniformed (dumb) statements about what each other's...
See, I just knew I knew less about ethics than a non-PE.
So OP, and all rookie engineers - make it a goal to be the sole engineer at a contractor shop since industry exempt engineers have better ethics training.
I think that is the point that you guys are trying to make?
PE's tend to interface with the public more than exempt industries. So ethics is just more part of daily dealings PE's. No way I am going to tell a non PE anything since they know as much and probably more about ethics than PE's. But that is just my uninformed opinion.
What is there to get over? There is more to engineering ethics than just how you feel about it. In fact, ethics can be very grey, hence the OP's dilemma. Perhaps you are the engineer that needs to get over self (no PE?). Some formal ethics training and mentor-ship from experienced engineers...
Lots of talk on these forums about managers that are not good engineers...Managers are either rainmakers or experts in their field, but usually a bit of both. The typical manager needs to run his/her team and final review the work. If you want big bonuses, you also need to bring money into the...
"drawoh, you're right that I'm the closest thing to a licensed PE here" So you're not licensed, then?
If you're not licensed, then there is no concern with sealing something you don't feel comfortable with...Oh well, you already quit so it's a moot point.
What's the deal with all these rookie...
Nobody likes losing work to bottom feeders. Not sure where you got the idea that your clients are not fair game for anybody out there in there in the world regardless of previous affiliations.
Dude, this is you over the course of your first three weeks at a job which it sounds like you were lucky to land:
July 28: Just got hired.
July 30: Gonna be humble and work my butt off.
August 4: I locked down the job! (what? I thought they hired you on July 28?)
August 7: I'm slow at the job...
Worst case scenario: it doesn't work out and you look for another job. This seemingly critical situation today will feel unimportant in the not too distant future.
It's simple - you try your best, put in an honest effort and it will either be good enough or it won't. Simple...not easy.
I'd like to see them find an outside hire willing to agree to that. If you are serious about furthering professional development as an engineer, you need to get a job with a company where you are not the only engineer.
