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  1. DieterVk

    Cooling for a Tri Ethyl Aluminum storage area

    To OP: NFPA 15, chapter 7.4: exposure protection 10,2 l.min-1/m² over the surface of the vessel To others: Yes, the compound is pyrophoric. It is most probably stored at 10% in hexane to exclude moist. Yes, you should cool the vessel with water to protect from an external fire. Only if the...
  2. DieterVk

    Gas detector orientation

    According to several suppliers' websites of gas detectors, a catalytic bead sensor must be installed vertically with the gas sensor pointing towards the ground. If the gas sensor is not mounted in this way, they say, the gas sensor may not work correctly. But why is this? And is a horizontally...
  3. DieterVk

    Fire Risk Engineering project topic

    No, I am a fire risk engineer. I was just looking for some inspiration.
  4. DieterVk

    Fire Risk Engineering project topic

    Hi all, I'm fairly new to the industry. Now my employer wants me to write an essay/article about a subject I am willing to look into. Kind of a small specialization. But I can't find something interesting myself. I'm look into the field of fire risk engineering in chemical, petrochemical...
  5. DieterVk

    Required Inert Gas design quantity (NFPA 2001)

    Stookeyfpe, My apologies, it's not CO2, it's IG55, a clean agent.
  6. DieterVk

    Required Inert Gas design quantity (NFPA 2001)

    My initial post holds all data available. From this I can derive three points: 1) t=0s ---> c=43% 2) t=130s ---> c=38% 3) t=600s ---> c=22,2% So yes I can calculate the leak rate for this case. But as partial pressure and total pressure of the inert gas will be augmented, the leak rate also...
  7. DieterVk

    Required Inert Gas design quantity (NFPA 2001)

    Yes, see my initial post: The results aren't good: Surface area leaks: 0,0592 m² Max accepted surface area leaks: 0,0128 m²
  8. DieterVk

    Required Inert Gas design quantity (NFPA 2001)

    Stookeyfpe, It's not CO2, it's inert gas. A) The relief paths/leaks cannot be resolved as mentioned in my initial post. B) This exactly is my question. How do I do this?
  9. DieterVk

    Required Inert Gas design quantity (NFPA 2001)

    Does nobody has any suggestions on secondary flooding?
  10. DieterVk

    Hello, Am new in the sprinkler s

    Do you mean that the demanded water pressure at the hydrant is 2 bar? What kind of hydrant? What is the demanded flow? What is the pipe size? What is the pipe material (for estimating the pressure loss due friction)?
  11. DieterVk

    Hello, Am new in the sprinkler s

    First you have to determine the most demanding scenario. For example 2 hydrants working simultaneously. This demands (for example) 2x 1000 lpm at 3 bar. Then your pump according to NFPA has to be: 625 GPM The working pressure depends on the length, diameter and friction of your pipe. If you...
  12. DieterVk

    Required Inert Gas design quantity (NFPA 2001)

    I've done a fan test for a automatic fire extinguishing system with IG55 following the NFPA 2001, appendix C, enclosure integrity procedure. Known data CO2 quantity: 22,8 kg Real concentration: 43% Volume room: 29 m³ Max height room: 3,25 m Minimal concentration: 38% Temperature in the room...
  13. DieterVk

    CO² concentration over time

    Now you have all the information.
  14. DieterVk

    CO² concentration over time

    Hi all, I don't know how to calculate following problem: Problem: I have a room with a certain concentration of CO2. There is a leak which causes the concentration to fall over time. Known: CO2 concentration start = 43.0% CO2 concentration after 10 minutes = 22.2% CO2 concentration air...
  15. DieterVk

    Radiative heat transfer

    What sort of fire? just A fire Where has 700C come from? outer wall temperature when subjected to pool fire why fail at 500? just an estimation What about outer wall failure? I assume the vessel as lost What is liquid boiling point? don't know Is the venting system good enough to handle the...
  16. DieterVk

    Radiative heat transfer

    Yes, the inner tank is filled with liquid. How can i calculate the time then? Matter of the case is really to calculate when (theoretically) the inner wall will fail, not considering any explosions or leaks.
  17. DieterVk

    Radiative heat transfer

    Furthermore, I assume a fire under a tank. I assume the tank fails when the inner wall reaches 500°C. That's why I need to calculate the time for this to happen. I assume the surface as infinite, so no masses or surfaces. The tank is filled with liquid at atmospheric temperature. How can I...
  18. DieterVk

    Radiative heat transfer

    Well, For calculating the overall heat transfer coefficient: 1/U = 1/h + D/k there isn't much air between the walls, and only natural convection occurs. So let's assume h = 10 W/m²K (which is an overestimation) D = 0.02 m k= 20 W/mK (for steel) 1/U = 0.1 + 0.001 = ... so the walls are thin...
  19. DieterVk

    Radiative heat transfer

    Hello, I'm having difficulties calculating the time to reach a certain temperature caused by radiation. I cannot find any method to get time into my calculations. Any help? Specific problem: Double-walled tank with the outer wall at 700 °C. How long does it take for the inner wall to reach...

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